That's fair. I think that's different than objectification.
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Jesse - Apr 23, 2011 4:54:01 pm PDT #4934 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
§ ita § - Apr 23, 2011 4:55:56 pm PDT #4935 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If someone wants to have sex with me because I'm black, I feel objectified. That doesn't make sense? What word would you use?
Jesse - Apr 23, 2011 4:58:29 pm PDT #4936 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Fetishization, I guess.
sarameg - Apr 23, 2011 4:59:42 pm PDT #4937 of 30001
§ ita § - Apr 23, 2011 5:07:43 pm PDT #4938 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
From quick googling, I don't see any indication that objectification isn't what I'm feeling. It matches the definition, including that of sexual objectification in wikipedia. Which has a subsection of fetishisation, but that doesn't make my usage wrong.
erikaj - Apr 23, 2011 5:23:47 pm PDT #4939 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!
I have run into quite a few guys with like, "naughty attendant"-style fantasies. More so, lately. (Is there a new wheelchair porn? On second thought, never tell me.) Am torn. On the one hand, it's not all bad seeing a liability turned into a draw...on the other, there's stuff at play that might be revolting if I looked at it closely.(I haven't done it because I'm not the kind to make it with a stranger...if someone I already liked wanted to, maybe I would. I'm also concerned that an AB person with a fantasy like that would be unprepared for the appearance of a real impaired body as opposed to Porn Chick in Wheelchair.
sarameg - Apr 23, 2011 5:38:01 pm PDT #4940 of 30001
Loki is still hanging out on the deck, and I'm hoping paint dries enough before the lightening I see brings rain.
DavidS - Apr 23, 2011 5:38:29 pm PDT #4941 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Okay, then, sorry I lumped people specifically skeeved by the cuckolding element in with ita's more general objection.
And, yeah, as long as porn makes me feel objectified, I'm going to feel uncomfortable. I think that's perfectly reasonable behaviour.
Fair enough.
So I'm not sure why you strung them together like it's one position being held by anyone here.
There was a recurring tone of "ewwww" which just pings me. Though as Matt noted, people can and will draw the line wherever they want.
§ ita § - Apr 23, 2011 5:45:34 pm PDT #4942 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think it's the interracial element in the cuckolding, not the cuckolding in the interracial, if that makes a difference.
At least, for me. I couldn't care less about a cuckolding kink, and made uncomfortable by an interracial kink, but feel flat out offended by the dynamics the interracial cuckolding kink depends on and perpetuates.
Then again, don't do it to me (which isn't possible), and I don't have to look, so it's all good.
meara - Apr 23, 2011 6:16:47 pm PDT #4943 of 30001
I, like Teppy, hang out with a lot of people who do a lot of weird-ass shit. And on the one hand, I try to be like "hey, whatever floats your boat". OTOH, I am a judgey judgey bitch, and stuff like a "Littles Party" (for people who like to pretend they are like, five years old) skeeves the heck out of me.