Jayne: Yeah, that was some pretty risky sittin' you did there. Wash: That's right, of course, 'cause they wouldn't arrest me if we got boarded, I'm just the pilot. I can always say I was flying the ship by accident.

'Serenity'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


le nubian - Sep 21, 2011 10:04:36 am PDT #27572 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

If any of you feel like it, you can fax and call the numbers at this link (re: Troy execution). I did the faxes. I am not sure if I feel like calling.

I'm pretty upset by this. I am morally opposed to the death penalty in general and this one feel so unjust particularly.

The Supreme Court interference in the recent 2 TX executions gives me hope that perhaps they can shut this one down too.

[link]


Ginger - Sep 21, 2011 10:16:55 am PDT #27573 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I am not morally opposed to the death penalty. I'm opposed to the way it's implemented in this country. I'd have a much better opinion of it if they executed a few rich white guys. I also think there should be national standards for the degree of severity of crime that is eligible for the death penalty. It needs to be a premeditated crime of a horrific nature or a series of killings that show that the killer has no concern for human life.


Sophia Brooks - Sep 21, 2011 10:39:35 am PDT #27574 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I am Ginger. I am actually only against the death penalty because of the possibility of a miscarriage of justice in our system. But I don't actually value all human life so much that I don't think it might be a better option to execute Ted Bundy or Charles Manson.


Sparky1 - Sep 21, 2011 10:52:44 am PDT #27575 of 30001
Librarian Warlord

It's my understanding that the warrant could be withdrawn by the District Attorney, but that the Parole Board is done and that there are no avenues of appeal to the US Supreme Court.


Amy - Sep 21, 2011 11:05:01 am PDT #27576 of 30001
Because books.

I'm not against the death penalty when it comes to someone like Ted Bundy. I want to say, "And Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer," but then I think, where do you draw the line between mental illness and simple evil? I hate the money the state of California has spent housing and feeding Manson all these years, but how guilty is he if he's mentally ill?

The people he persuaded to join him are a different story, though.

What needs to be addressed is proof in all cases, and some more regulated standards when reviewing a case for the death penalty.


Burrell - Sep 21, 2011 11:16:18 am PDT #27577 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Didn't Charles Manson's sentence get commuted to life in prison without possibility of parole?


Tom Scola - Sep 21, 2011 11:17:45 am PDT #27578 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

No, Charlie gets a parole hearing every few years. Which will never be granted, but gets him media attention.


JenP - Sep 21, 2011 11:21:40 am PDT #27579 of 30001

I have done absolutely no research on this, but I've maybe read an article at some point - isn't it true that there's been research showing that executing someone is more expensive than keeping them in prison for life? I would guess because of appeal costs, maybe? Anyone know whether this has a basis in reality, or is it just one of those things people say?


Burrell - Sep 21, 2011 11:22:39 am PDT #27580 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Ah, OK, so yeah just a life sentence then. Which I only say because it frustrates me that someone who is often presented as the poster child for execution will never be executed. Not that I want to see him executed, just that I feel the example underlines the disparity between how most people view the death penalty and how it is actually enforced.


flea - Sep 21, 2011 11:23:43 am PDT #27581 of 30001
information libertarian

No, it's true. [link]