Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?
[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.
Unrelated to her, but effected by her, is my recent choice to quit being the one who takes emotional care of every-freaking-body in my life.
This might be a large part of what the friendship provided her - your unceasing emotional support.
The intimacy you have with each other seems to come from Being There for each other.
In one of my rudimentary schemas, this is one of the three legs a friendship can stand on. The other two being: Somebody I Have Fun With and Somebody I Can Talk To (not just conversational, or gossip, or even support. But rather somebody that has a very specific point of view that's useful to you. Something that makes them irreplaceable). It's rare to find somebody that fulfills all three elements.
It sounds like you have some fun with her (though it's not the dominant trait), and she's somebody that gets something by talking to you. But you seem to get less from her in that regard.
So if Being There For Each Other is missing, then it's got a lot less to fall back on.
However, it does seem as some people have become so absorbed in their own stuff that a suggestion that they consider someone else's feelings actually offensive. This appears to be the case with my friend. It bothers me so much because I HAVE cared so much for her.
There does seem to be some disconnect here. It seems like you are disappointed that she can't read you, or know your needs. You have an expectation that she's not fulfilling.
I'm sure you've seen that dynamic a lot in couples therapy settings, stereotypically when the one person is hurt because the other has forgotten some key anniversary or isn't treating an upcoming event with the same reverence. So they interpret the fact that somebody doesn't attach the same symbolic value to that event as not valuing them as a person.
"They should know how important that is to me!"
I don't disagree with the Scrappy camp...and I very much appreciate the input.
If I had heard anything that suggested she was interested in understanding my position, I would have been thankful for the Skype request. Instead, what I heard was, 'let me tell you how your feelings are wrong.' When I replied that I wasn't interested in that type of conversation, she made no effort to deny the intent.
Also, if my concern was somehow a surprise, I would completely appreciate the 'shock' making it difficult to respond in a non-defensive way. But that isn't the case...not even remotely.
This latest message from me came after multiple attempts to communicate differently being ignored or rejected. It got to the point where I found myself ignoring her messages and that didn't seem fair. Since negotiation didn't work, honesty seemed my only option.
So if Being There For Each Other is missing, then it's got a lot less to fall back on.
It does seem occasionally like you are disappointed when people can't read you, or know your needs. You have an expectation that they're not fulfilling. That's almost always a communication issue because people process things in different ways.
This is gold, David. You are absolutely right.
My 'story' is that I bend so far backwards to help people fix their communication problems and I am so, incredibly clear about my needs...really to the point of being ridiculous with the 'It's okay with me if you don't want x or y, I am soooo openminded.'
But then, there comes a point where the crick in the back just doesn't seem worth it. This is me totally whining, and accepting the childishness of it, but now and then I want a line that I don't have to cross for someone else.
I HAVE experienced straight up, down to the bone honesty from emotionally courageous folks. It's intoxicating and I have to look into why I don't seem to cast those folks in the leading roles in my life.
As a person who has been told "You are no long of value to me, please stop communicating with me," I applaud your willingness to at least have communications.
bonny, it sounds like you've pretty much made up your mind about her, after a series of disappointments and hurts. I think I was assuming there was a hope that things might be salvaged between the two of you. But it sounds like that's not the case.
So the question you're asking is, what should you say next? Which leads me to wonder, is there anything else you want from her at this point? Is there anything else that she could do or say that would help to bridge the gap between you? If so, then I'd say you should tell her that. If not, then I'd say you should tell her that too.
And I totally get the desire to have someone in your life who YOU can depend on, instead of always being that person for others and not getting the same in return. I can understand how frustrating it must be not to get that support from her.
Which leads me to wonder, is there anything else you want from her at this point? Is there anything else that she could do or say that would help to bridge the gap between you? If so, then I'd say you should tell her that. If not, then I'd say you should tell her that too.
Thanks, Kate. I don't need anything, I don't think. But what could bridge the gap for me is an acknowledgment that, even if she doesn't agree, my feelings are worthy of discussion and acceptance. I would talk to her on the phone if she offered.
I totally claim my petulance over the video thing. It feels a bit too much like being called onto the carpet and, frankly, too little too late.
What is true is that I could be focusing on what I want, rather than feeling hard done by her past behavior. If the Wizard were to grant my wish it would be to hear her drop the defensive tone, acknowledge my hurt and offer to find something that would work for us both. No more or less than I have done for her before.
I am almost always the Conscientious one in my meatspace friendships(E from Entourage, right?)
loyal, inclined to befriend people who are much prettier than I am.
inclined to befriend people who are much prettier than I am.
This is totally me. With far superior fashion sense too. I very much enjoy that.
Oh facebook. I knew you would break my heart. 7th grade best friend just told me my ex hasn't dated anyone since we broke up in 2000. I hope the truth is just that he doesn't feel like talking about who he's dating with 7gbf. Why do I feel like bawling?
Just had another asthma attack while teaching. This time, the inhaler didn't help enough, and I had to dismiss the class. I'm going to go to a doctor to see if I have bronchitis, which is what I suspect. Walk-in clinic doesn't open for another hour and a half, so I'm just hanging around in my office for a little while, trying to breathe.
