Can't you ever get your mind out of the hellmouth?

Buffy ,'Touched'


Spike's Bitches 45: That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Steph L. - Nov 12, 2009 10:26:57 am PST #285 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Language doesn't get hurt feelings but it can be demeaned and watered down and made weak. Euphemizing is a really pernicious attack on meaning and discourse, widely used by politicians and managers. It can become a kind of bad faith, and creates distrust. Language needs defending. I do wish that people who were keen to cull offensive words weighed and acknowledged the cost to language more.

To the contrary, I think it's weak writing that can't come up with a different way of stating something.

And I also think that perhaps what's being said might not need to be said. For example: my difficulty in not using "You pussy!" as a pejorative. What am I actually doing there? I'm demeaning someone, regardless of the language that I'm using to do so. Whether I say "You pussy!" or "You are a weak and ineffectual person who lacks the strength to deal with this situation," it's still demeaning. And maybe I ought not be demeaning someone to begin with.


Jessica - Nov 12, 2009 10:31:27 am PST #286 of 30000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I do wish that people who were keen to cull offensive words weighed and acknowledged the cost to language more.

Please explain to me how racial/ethnic slurs are a benefit to language and communication. Seriously, I can't wait.

JZ, if I had any money at all right now, I would be all over those dresses. Alas, I cannot afford clothes when I'm facing possible unemployment in 4 months.


§ ita § - Nov 12, 2009 10:35:12 am PST #287 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And maybe I ought not be demeaning someone to begin with.

Sometimes you're just being descriptive. They already demeaned themselves by earning that description.

Please explain to me how racial/ethnic slurs are a benefit to language and communication

Yeah, I can't see what positive jewed adds to the world.


Zenkitty - Nov 12, 2009 10:35:24 am PST #288 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I don't use any of these insults. (Although I thoroughly enjoy hearing you all use them. The creative ones, not the ethnic ones, to clarify.) Most of them just don't come to my mind when I'm looking for an insult. I always refused to say "cocksucker" (because what's actually wrong with that? I'm one myself) because the implication is that only women and gay men suck cock and therefore sucking cock is demeaning, and that implication offends me. Same reason I don't say pussy to mean weak. (Pussies are damn strong. Most men could only aspire to be as strong as a pussy. Shove a baby out your dick and we'll see who cries the longest, motherfucker.) "Motherfucker" is my shameful secret favorite curse/insult, and I've never said it TO anyone with serious intent, because the implication there is nastier than I've ever wanted to be. "Bastard" is the word that usually comes to my mouth when I'm really mad at a guy, and "bitch" when it's a woman, and I'm trying to stop using them, but there aren't any good substitutes that feel real to me. Like, "jerkwad" is funny as hell, but I can't take it seriously as an insult.

I say things and people are "crazy" all the time (including myself). You all have gotten me thinking about how and when I use it, and when I don't. I grew up with, and lived with, and have worked with, so many people with actual mental illnesses, the word crazy doesn't even seem perjorative to me anymore. Now that I think of it, I wouldn't even call most people with a mental illness "crazy", I would call it by its clinical name. Does that make sense? Like, I wouldn't call someone with, say, Tourette's, "crazy", because I don't think having Tourette's means someone is crazy. (The symptoms might "drive them crazy" but that's a whole different meaning.) When I say someone's "crazy", I'm usually NOT referring to an actual diagnosed mental illness. I will, however, continue to refer to the paranoid schizophrenic ex-boyfriend who tried to kill me as a crazy motherfucker. My rules change for that bastard. There just is no "crazy" quite like paranoid schizophrenia. (Well, there's murderous psychopathy, but I haven't met too many of them in real life.)

Dammit, you guys, stop making me think. I come here for FUN.


Steph L. - Nov 12, 2009 10:36:32 am PST #289 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

And maybe I ought not be demeaning someone to begin with.

Sometimes you're just being descriptive. They already demeaned themselves by earning that description.

That's true in some cases. But sometimes I'm just being a jerk, and being demeaning isn't called for.


erikaj - Nov 12, 2009 10:37:26 am PST #290 of 30000
I'm a fucking amazing catch!--Fiona Gallagher, Shameless(US)

My mom says a teacher at her school makes her students replace "niggah" with "Ninja" as in "kickin' it with my ninjas" I thought Buffistas would like that.

It's a real contradiction, being a feminist Entourage fan, but I also love watching Dana Gordon pwn, too. And Shauna, nail-polishing badass.


Steph L. - Nov 12, 2009 10:37:50 am PST #291 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Now that I think of it, I wouldn't even call most people with a mental illness "crazy", I would call it by its clinical name. Does that make sense? Like, I wouldn't call someone with, say, Tourette's, "crazy", because I don't think having Tourette's means someone is crazy. (The symptoms might "drive them crazy" but that's a whole different meaning.) When I say someone's "crazy", I'm usually NOT referring to an actual diagnosed mental illness.

And now YOU'RE making me think, dang it!


Steph L. - Nov 12, 2009 10:38:15 am PST #292 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

"kickin' it with my ninjas"

Okay, that's AWESOME.


§ ita § - Nov 12, 2009 10:40:26 am PST #293 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"kickin' it with my ninjas"

You know there are ninjitsu practitioners screaming "STOP IT!" right now, right?


Glamcookie - Nov 12, 2009 10:41:28 am PST #294 of 30000
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Please explain to me how racial/ethnic slurs are a benefit to language and communication. Seriously, I can't wait.

Well, I can see it in writing fiction. What if you want to portray someone as a racist asshole?