I'm so sorry, but if it makes you feel any better, my fun-time-Buffy party night involved watching a robot throw Spike through a window, so if you want to trade... no wait, I wouldn't give up that memory for anything.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Spike's Bitches 45: That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Beverly - May 19, 2010 8:57:08 am PDT #19884 of 30000
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Faylove, keep yourself and Cat safe as possible. You have many good thoughts bent your way from here.

Seska, the house is really nice--so many lovely possibilities to inflictimpress your own personalities inside and out.

Sass is a winning little salesbeing, isn't she? I'd buy what she's selling.

Nothing to add to the handcuffs discussion, except an emphatic nod to leather, rather than metal or rope. Burns.

Favorite application of peanut butter is on tart, crisp apple slices. Got celery or banana beat all to hell.


Shir - May 19, 2010 8:58:31 am PDT #19885 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

How do you determine "legitimate"?

Acceptable by the narrow circle of friends and people I give a fuck (no pun) about their opinions. Yes, it's that easy.

Steph, I do anthropology. Which means that I totally accept your definition to reality - and moreover, beacuse you're writing here, in my virtual "safe place". Hence the "it's legitimate". As for kinky? Well, if kinky is what other people think of your sexual interests and turn ons, sure. I just don't see why it has to do with anything, but messing with cultural concepts of what's "right" and "wrong".

Let's put it in a non-sexual context, for the sake of the argument: the fact that I actually read the articles for my classes, by the standards of most of my fellow students, is kinky. Me? I see it as legitimate.


lisah - May 19, 2010 8:59:11 am PDT #19886 of 30000
Punishingly Intricate

Favorite application of peanut butter is on tart, crisp apple slices.

oooh yeah. nom.


Shir - May 19, 2010 9:00:06 am PDT #19887 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Is anyone else fantasizing about putting together a geeky A-Team, stealing some choppers, storming into Bangkok, grabbing Fay and Daniel, and getting out? I'm not going to be able to relax until I know they're safe.

Oh, yes.


Steph L. - May 19, 2010 9:00:28 am PDT #19888 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Teppy is wanting to use words as precision tools

Well, of course. What words mean *matters*.

How do you determine "legitimate"?

It's never occurred to me to define that. If it works for all partners and no one's getting hurt, it's all good.

I read Shir's comment as something that has a "legitimate" use = "not kinky." And I'm curious about that, because, again with the precision.


Shir - May 19, 2010 9:02:34 am PDT #19889 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

I read Shir's comment as something that has a "legitimate" use = "not kinky." And I'm curious about that, because, again with the precision.

I adore and appreciate your determination to precision, and hope my response cleared things up.

Though, we're Buffistas, so what are the odds for that.


Steph L. - May 19, 2010 9:02:47 am PDT #19890 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Well, if kinky is what other people think of your sexual interests and turn ons, sure. I just don't see why it has to do with anything

Because the meaning of what we do matters.


Jessica - May 19, 2010 9:07:54 am PDT #19891 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, but Shir, I don't think the word "legitimate" means quite what you think it does. I'm having real trouble parsing it in the context we're discussing without your comments coming across as extremely judgmental, and since I'm pretty sure that's not your intent, it makes me think we're dealing with a simple translation error.

Is anyone else fantasizing about putting together a geeky A-Team, stealing some choppers, storming into Bangkok, grabbing Fay and Daniel, and getting out?

Speaking of kinky...


Shir - May 19, 2010 9:08:29 am PDT #19892 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Because the meaning of what we do matters.

But it's not the meaning of what you do. It's the meaning of what others think about it. And they can be wrong, and don't have a clue. It's not the same thing.

It's the classical looking glass self [link] which I don't accept, or actually, don't want to accept.

But if you go there, than yes, what you're doing is kinky. IMHO? What you're doing is fabulous, as the process that got you there.

I guess that because I have so much resentment to the looking glass self, I refuse to give you a clear answer if what you're doing is kink or not. Because I believe I'm not the one to judge and determine that, but you do.


Vortex - May 19, 2010 9:11:18 am PDT #19893 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Well, no, but I feel there's some real estate between "vanilla" and "kinky".

exactly.