Buffy. When I saw you stop the world from, you know, ending, I just assumed that was a big week for you. Turns out I suddenly find myself needing to know the plural of 'apocalypse.'

Riley ,'Potential'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2009 8:50:52 am PST #73 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

One day Eliza Dushku might surprise me by doing something she didn't intend to look sexy doing onscreen, but I'm not going to hold my breath.


Emily - Feb 24, 2009 8:51:50 am PST #74 of 5827
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

As much as I hate to throw myself into this -- and let me be clear that I have no desire to argue personal squick or button/trigger-pushing -- I'm not sure that the situation is that clear-cut. What if we hypothesize old-school (by which I mean, I know that this is not necessarily how DID(?) actually works, but since we're talking fiction...) multiple personality disorder -- if one of the personalities has consensual sex, has another personality been raped?


Stephanie - Feb 24, 2009 8:54:27 am PST #75 of 5827
Trust my rage

I don't follow TV online other places (although I will occasionally read stuff if it's linked here) but have others drawn the same rape connection that we have? Because I came to that conclusion all by myself, but I'm sort of surprised that Joss hasn't commented on it or that the few linked things I've read haven't mentioned it.


Jon B. - Feb 24, 2009 8:55:18 am PST #76 of 5827
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Dollhouse has deliberately chosen a form of rape that is harder to handle non-exploitively, but seems to put less effort than an after-school special into making it non-exploitive and instead makes it as titillating as possible.

I understand the general rape-related arguments about the show, but I'm not sure how your post furthers them, Typo. Was there even a sex scene in the first episode? And in the second episode, while there was sex, I thought it was really brief. I won't say it wasn't shot to be titillating, but I see WAY more explicit and titillating stuff on network TV all the time. If anything, I thought it was restrained.


SailAweigh - Feb 24, 2009 8:55:35 am PST #77 of 5827
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Emily, that's an interesting take I sure hadn't thought of.


Jessica - Feb 24, 2009 9:01:08 am PST #78 of 5827
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Was there even a sex scene in the first episode?

Yes - during the mindwipe sequence there's a brief flashback to sex with her date/client.

(And just to be completely honest here, I found the first ep offensive enough that I did not watch it again when it aired nor have I seen the second ep. So it's possible that the sex was cut out of the broadcast version of the pilot.)


Emily - Feb 24, 2009 9:03:35 am PST #79 of 5827
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Let me clarify that the answer may well be yes, actually. There may be a victim of rape without an intentional act of rape, and indeed the Dollhouse clients know perfectly well what they're getting into. But the identity issue surely complicates it a little.


Burrell - Feb 24, 2009 9:14:35 am PST #80 of 5827
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

The sex was still there, Jessica. I thought I read in one of interviews that sex part was something he wanted to explore.


Polter-Cow - Feb 24, 2009 9:15:30 am PST #81 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

So it's possible that the sex was cut out of the broadcast version of the pilot.

Nope, it's still there.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 24, 2009 9:21:06 am PST #82 of 5827
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Was there even a sex scene in the first episode?

I think it was mentioned that she had slept with motorcycle race client, but I don't remember an actual sex scene. I was very distracted when I watched it, though.