So it's possible that the sex was cut out of the broadcast version of the pilot.
Nope, it's still there.
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So it's possible that the sex was cut out of the broadcast version of the pilot.
Nope, it's still there.
Was there even a sex scene in the first episode?
I think it was mentioned that she had slept with motorcycle race client, but I don't remember an actual sex scene. I was very distracted when I watched it, though.
but have others drawn the same rape connection that we have?
Quite a few people on LJ (which is the only place I've read) came to that conclusion right away.
I've read a couple reviews to that end.
Echo actually falls into lust or love or limerance with the client, and enjoys the sex.
I don't want to seem like a rape defender, but it's not Echo. It's a fully created personality outside of "Echo", and that personality has consensual sex.
I am in no way saying that this makes the rape issues go away, I'm just saying that I think identity is an important component.
and that personality has consensual sex
Does it? I mean: Would the clients be paying for an imprint that would refuse them? The Dollhouse seems to be able to imprint the physical and emotional - why not make sure the Actives say yes to the clients? Why would we assume the imprinted Actives suddenly have free will in this particular area?
(Note: I have not watched the second episode, so everything I know about it I learned from this board.)
I guess that was a poor word choice on my part. It's consensual in that the personality desires it, or is at least not opposed to it, but you're right, it's not really "consensual" in a broader sort of way.
As to the multiple personality thing: There is controversy about whether Dissociative identity disorder is even real. If it is real there is controversy over whether there are actual multiple personalities or merely the delusion of multiple personalities. And if it does happen there is a question as to whether it happens other than as a side effect of therapy.
So there is no real reason to think the imprinted personality is a separate person, able to give consent for activity Caroline would not consent to. I'm not sure if Alpha is simply a Ninja that did not get erased, or if (as is hinted) Alpha is the merging of every set of memories and skills Alpha ever held. The latter seems to me to support the "sophisticated roofies" over separate personality who gives consent.
I will add that if these identities really are separate identities then maybe it complicates the rape question. (I'm not certain, but maybe.) But then the erasures are murder. So creating new people to serve clients, and then killing them after.
Quite a few people on LJ (which is the only place I've read) came to that conclusion right away.
I just asked because it seems like a show where rape is common and commonplace would not be something I would think a network would want to produce. Maybe I need to up my cynicism.
At any rate here is the "Skeptics Dictonary" take on multiple personalities.
It seems that the idea that these are actually separate identities rather than aspects of the same person is controversial.