Buffy: Where are the burgers? Riley: Yeah man, I'm starving. Cow me. Xander: I'd love to make with the moo but the fire's not cooperating.

'Lessons'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Jon B. - Apr 16, 2014 4:38:13 am PDT #3979 of 5827
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

That was Adrian Pasdar playing Major Talbot? I completely did not recognize him!


-t - Apr 16, 2014 4:54:04 am PDT #3980 of 5827
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I didn't either. Nice.

I find Evil Ward much more good-looking.

I liked this episode. I'm very interested to find out what Garrett actually wants - he doesn't seem to be into Hydra's goals, who knows of anything he said as the Clairvoyant was true (and "change the world", what does that mean? Could be anything). And I feel for Coulson, trying to be a Good Guy when he has so little idea what is going on or who he can trust.


Kalshane - Apr 16, 2014 5:10:20 am PDT #3981 of 5827
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Yeah, the cheerleader line was funny, but it will be interesting to see what happens when he runs into the HYDRA leadership.

I do find it interesting that Coulson was on the short list of people allowed to know Fury is alive, but May wasn't, even though she was spying on Coulson for Fury.

Also, I hope Fury wasn't relying on Coulson's badge for any other tricks. Oops.

ETA: I'm thinking the current situation is why Fury pulled out all the stops to resurrect Coulson and put in him charge of a semi-autonomous team. He knew something was wrong with SHIELD, if not exactly what, and needed someone like Coulson to help pick up the pieces when the shit finally hit the fan.


Steph L. - Apr 16, 2014 5:15:02 am PDT #3982 of 5827
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm very interested to find out what Garrett actually wants - he doesn't seem to be into Hydra's goals

Yeah, he said as much in the previous episode -- that when he saw Hydra was coming into power, he switched his loyalty. I wonder when, though -- for how long was he a part of SHIELD before he found out about Hydra and switched allegience?


Polter-Cow - Apr 16, 2014 5:31:30 am PDT #3983 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I do find it interesting that Coulson was on the short list of people allowed to know Fury is alive, but May wasn't, even though she was spying on Coulson for Fury.

This struck me too. It's very odd.


Zenkitty - Apr 16, 2014 5:44:26 am PDT #3984 of 5827
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

ETA: I'm thinking the current situation is why Fury pulled out all the stops to resurrect Coulson and put in him charge of a semi-autonomous team. He knew something was wrong with SHIELD, if not exactly what, and needed someone like Coulson to help pick up the pieces when the shit finally hit the fan.

That would make sense.


Steph L. - Apr 16, 2014 5:53:27 am PDT #3985 of 5827
I look more rad than Lutheranism

ETA: I'm thinking the current situation is why Fury pulled out all the stops to resurrect Coulson and put in him charge of a semi-autonomous team. He knew something was wrong with SHIELD, if not exactly what, and needed someone like Coulson to help pick up the pieces when the shit finally hit the fan.

I wonder, though, if Fury really suspected something was wrong with SHIELD -- if he really did, why was he [spoiler for Winter Soldier] totally on board with Project Insight at the beginning of the movie (because even though he didn't know about the "kill 20,000 people at once" part of the plan, he was absolutely defending the helicarriers' intended use as jackbooted preemptive strikes against terrorists who hadn't yet committed any terrorism)? -- or if he was just being typical Nick Fury and always, ALWAYS having a backup plan, since he doesn't trust anyone at all.

I tend to think it was the latter -- just a paranoid, trust-no-one, Nick Fury backup plan. (Less that he *suspected* something was wrong with SHIELD and more that he just planned *in case* something ever went wrong with SHIELD. He doesn't trust anyone, and he knows that power corrupts, even if he didn't know about Hydra.)


Connie Neil - Apr 16, 2014 6:05:08 am PDT #3986 of 5827
brillig

I can see him putting in secret bases in the event an alien invasion actually works.

He had to know Phil wouldn't trust May if he found out she was keeping an eye on him. Maybe that's why he left her off the list of People To Tell. It'd be cool if there's a recording from Fury to Phil. Though it's probably tied to his badge. Bad move, Phil.


Tom Scola - Apr 16, 2014 6:06:22 am PDT #3987 of 5827
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Steph, Fury was the one who hired the mercenaries to take the ship at the beginning of the movie, just so that Natalia could get on board and upload the data on the magic USB stick. So even at the beginning of the movie, he suspected something was wrong.


Steph L. - Apr 16, 2014 6:11:33 am PDT #3988 of 5827
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Fury was the

I got that, but there's no way that his building of secret, non-SHIELD bunkers only came about around the time of CA2 (or even, let's say, Avengers). It takes time to build secret bunkers, and even more time to pick out a Phil Coulson and get him into a position where he can do real good just in case everything goes to hell in the worst way possible.

Does that make sense? I don't think that he started building bunkers because he thought something was not right with SHIELD; I think he built bunkers because he's paranoid, and his paranoia turned out to be correct.

I know Fury was starting to suspect something was rotten in SHIELD in the movie, but in general, I think he's a (more or less justifiably) paranoid guy whose paranoia was eventually proven correct.

Although it makes me wonder why he was defending Project Insight so strongly to Cap, if he was suspicious that something was rotten in SHIELD.