Tep, to the last point, because to a paranoid guy like Fury, there's always someone listening. And, who exactly would a paranoid spymaster trust? No one. (Until he really has to.)
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juliana - Apr 16, 2014 6:21:17 am PDT #3989 of 5827
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…
Tom Scola - Apr 16, 2014 6:23:21 am PDT #3990 of 5827
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
Fury is just as paranoid about outside threats as he is inside. Which explains why he was so gung-ho about Project Insight.
Between last night's jab from Garrett that Fury was personally responsible for the Chitauri invasion, plus his not actually launching the Extremely Dangerous Technology into the sun, Fury is sounding like a pretty incompetent guy.
Steph L. - Apr 16, 2014 6:27:11 am PDT #3991 of 5827
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Last night's jab from Garrett that Fury was personally responsible for the Chitauri invasion is making sound like Fury is a pretty incompetent guy.
I caught that, but (1) Garrett's opinions aren't exactly credible, and (2) Loki.
plus his not actually launching the Extremely Dangerous Technology into the sun
My reaction to that was "I wouldn't have launched the Berserker staff into the sun, either." IOW, I wasn't surprised all that stuff was still around.
Which really underlines the point of the movie (and now the show): is/was SHIELD dangerous because Hydra infiltrated, or is/was SHIELD dangerous because power corrupts both people and institutions?
Tep, to the last point, because to a paranoid guy like Fury, there's always someone listening. And, who exactly would a paranoid spymaster trust? No one. (Until he really has to.)
Fury is just as paranoid about outside threats as he is inside. Which explains why he was so gung-ho about
Fair points. I didn't consider those. I'm about as black-and-white as Cap about some things.
Polter-Cow - Apr 16, 2014 6:32:10 am PDT #3992 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
is/was SHIELD dangerous because power corrupts both people and institutions?
Preeeeeeeetty sure it's that one, given it's one of Joss's pet themes.
Steph L. - Apr 16, 2014 6:34:31 am PDT #3993 of 5827
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Preeeeeeeetty sure it's that one, given it's one of Joss's pet themes.
It's just interesting to me that, on the face of it, the immediate reaction is "Holy shit, Hydra infiltrated SHIELD? Bad evil bad noooooo!", but then you pull back and think "Waaaaaait a second."
Or maybe that was just my reaction. I am kind of simple. It's possible that every other person who saw the movie and/or watches the show had the immediate reaction of "Well, SHIELD is shifty anyway, because power corrupts good people; the Hydra thing is ACTUALLY secondary."
Steph L. - Apr 16, 2014 6:36:34 am PDT #3994 of 5827
I look more rad than Lutheranism
And, damn it, I want to keep discussing this, but I have a pile of work to do. I hope there are more interesting posts after I've demolished the pile.
Dana - Apr 16, 2014 6:40:45 am PDT #3995 of 5827
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
That was, to me, easily the best episode of the season, but I'm getting the vibe that other people didn't think so. Evil!Ward NINE THOUSAND times more interesting than Boring!Ward. Coulson had a realistic emotional reaction to the shit going down. May also had a realistic reaction ("Uh, dude, are you sure you're not crazy?").
And I'm very pleased that Ward isn't brainwashed.
Connie Neil - Apr 16, 2014 6:42:32 am PDT #3996 of 5827
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May's reaction is very reasonable. Why should she trust Coulson when it's been proven that nobody can be trusted? She doesn't know he's the main character of a TV show put out by Disney.
edit: And god knows what happened to his brain in T.A.H.I.T.I.
Garrett didn't see the alien, did he? I wonder if Raina can be fully trusted now?
Una - Apr 16, 2014 6:52:38 am PDT #3997 of 5827
when i die, please bake my ashes into a brick and use me to hit fascists.
I'm with Dana on the character notes. I just don't trust the show to not rehabilitate Ward, or at least do so in an interesting way. Considering I mostly watch for Coulson, I'm still liking what they're doing with him, thankfully.
(I get the idea that Bill Paxton is having a really great time being a comic book villain!)
Polter-Cow - Apr 16, 2014 7:00:38 am PDT #3998 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Coulson had a realistic emotional reaction to the shit going down.
Marvel.com had a perfect description of his Big Speech: "making a rallying speech sound absolutely heart breaking." If you look at the text, you could easily deliver that as a big rah-rah THIS WILL BE OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY speech, but instead it was Coulson unspooling.
And I'm very pleased that Ward isn't brainwashed.
I kept looking for any signs that they were seeding a plot twist that he's brainwashed or a triple agent, and any doubt I might have possibly had went away when he shot those two fucking guys in the elevator like it was nothing. I'm glad there's no extra layer to that, although "redeemed by Skye" is still a possibility.
She doesn't know he's the main character of a TV show put out by Disney.
You seem very attached to this idea that the Disney name means puppies and flowers when I just described a character shooting two completely innocent people point blank in the head. Yes, Disney owns Marvel. Disney also owns Touchstone.