This must be what going mad feels like.

Simon ,'Jaynestown'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Apr 26, 2009 6:00:32 am PDT #1393 of 5827
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

I don't think you can rely on the viewer to bring this kind of understanding to a weekly tv show if you want people to hang in there for the long haul.

I think that might be a big part of the problem. It's asking a lot of the viewer. I have friends (who know Joss's previous shows and are intelligent people) who have given up on Dollhouse because they see it as doing nothing more than buying into stereotypical male fantasies - and, as such, a total backtracking of everything that Buffy was. If they want to communicate some of the more complex ideas that they may or may not be hinting at, they're going to have to get clearer about what they're doing with this show.

Which I'm *really* still really hoping they will...


Juliebird - Apr 26, 2009 6:40:52 am PDT #1394 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

but a whole show built around the self-congratulatory meta premise that television is shallow, exploitative and tasteless, and that the viewers are too...
Yeah. Still pretty much want to slap someone.

Yeah, if I buy into that theory, I feel like it's *me* being slapped in the face. Is this a cat in a box?


Fay - Apr 26, 2009 6:48:36 am PDT #1395 of 5827
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Word.


le nubian - Apr 26, 2009 7:48:11 am PDT #1396 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

and what is especially galling is that I think the main audience for DH is 18-22 year olds.

Are most really going to reflect on popular culture in this way?

Really?


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 26, 2009 7:51:19 am PDT #1397 of 5827
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Hasn't Joss been pretty open about the whole genesis of this idea being Eliza wanting to say something about the actor's experience in Hollywood? I didn't think the show's meta-fiction aspect was any mysterious hidden thing.

I noticed Echo never poked through her imprint this week. I wonder if the imprint is harder to overcome if it comes from a single source.

Margaret was a single, whole controlling personality, but I'm wondering if the fact she was aware of being an imprint in a body other than her own had anything to do with Echo not peeking out.


tiggy - Apr 26, 2009 8:06:38 am PDT #1398 of 5827
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I think the reason Topher is coming out as my favorite character from this show is that he's a typical Jossian character that this show is generally missing. he and Sierra's scenes were the best part of the episode for me.

Seska? the bronzer Seska? welcome!


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Apr 26, 2009 8:11:43 am PDT #1399 of 5827
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

tiggy: You remember me! Aww!

And I am in much agreement that Topher is the character that this show needs more of.


tiggy - Apr 26, 2009 8:17:02 am PDT #1400 of 5827
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

of course i do! how've you been?


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Apr 26, 2009 8:21:07 am PDT #1401 of 5827
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

how've you been?

Great! Also complicated! Life, and all that :D How are things with you? Am hanging out in Natter if you want to, well, natter...


Laura - Apr 26, 2009 8:38:49 am PDT #1402 of 5827
Our wings are not tired.

Whatever the blatant and/or hidden premise of the show may be, I'd still like to see it be more entertaining. I'm not getting the level of great characters and brilliant banter that I was looking for at all. I don't want to come in here and be down on the show all the time, but I don't want to have to dig to find things to be happy with either.

There are some characters I find interesting, just too many that aren't.