Word.
Can't even shout, Can't even cry. The Gentlemen are coming by. Looking in windows, knocking on doors. They need to take seven, and they might take yours. Can't call to mom, can't say a word. You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard.
Dream Girl ,'Bring On The Night'
Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers
TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.
Fay - Apr 26, 2009 6:48:36 am PDT #1395 of 5827
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
le nubian - Apr 26, 2009 7:48:11 am PDT #1396 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
and what is especially galling is that I think the main audience for DH is 18-22 year olds.
Are most really going to reflect on popular culture in this way?
Really?
Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 26, 2009 7:51:19 am PDT #1397 of 5827
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Hasn't Joss been pretty open about the whole genesis of this idea being Eliza wanting to say something about the actor's experience in Hollywood? I didn't think the show's meta-fiction aspect was any mysterious hidden thing.
I noticed Echo never poked through her imprint this week. I wonder if the imprint is harder to overcome if it comes from a single source.
Margaret was a single, whole controlling personality, but I'm wondering if the fact she was aware of being an imprint in a body other than her own had anything to do with Echo not peeking out.
tiggy - Apr 26, 2009 8:06:38 am PDT #1398 of 5827
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
I think the reason Topher is coming out as my favorite character from this show is that he's a typical Jossian character that this show is generally missing. he and Sierra's scenes were the best part of the episode for me.
Seska? the bronzer Seska? welcome!
Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Apr 26, 2009 8:11:43 am PDT #1399 of 5827
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"
tiggy: You remember me! Aww!
And I am in much agreement that Topher is the character that this show needs more of.
tiggy - Apr 26, 2009 8:17:02 am PDT #1400 of 5827
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
of course i do! how've you been?
Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Apr 26, 2009 8:21:07 am PDT #1401 of 5827
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"
how've you been?
Great! Also complicated! Life, and all that :D How are things with you? Am hanging out in Natter if you want to, well, natter...
Laura - Apr 26, 2009 8:38:49 am PDT #1402 of 5827
Our wings are not tired.
Whatever the blatant and/or hidden premise of the show may be, I'd still like to see it be more entertaining. I'm not getting the level of great characters and brilliant banter that I was looking for at all. I don't want to come in here and be down on the show all the time, but I don't want to have to dig to find things to be happy with either.
There are some characters I find interesting, just too many that aren't.
Laura - Apr 26, 2009 9:09:31 am PDT #1403 of 5827
Our wings are not tired.
Ok, I'm trying to take a closer look at the characters since that is what usually keeps me in a show. It seems to break into 3 categories for me.
Interesting - Topher, Sierra, Victor, Dr. Saunders. In many ways it isn't how they have been written, but the performances by the actors which have been impressive. As an example of this, I am convinced that Sierra would have been interesting to me without the in-your-face abuse. Although the doctor hasn't had a direct story line (unless it was in a missed ep), still interesting.
Neutral - Adelle, Boyd, November. These 3 could easily develop into interesting characters, but aren't there yet.
Whatever - Paul, Echo. I really want to care about them, but I really don't. Alas, they really should be on the top of the interesting list.
victor infante - Apr 26, 2009 9:54:24 am PDT #1404 of 5827
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Hasn't Joss been pretty open about the whole genesis of this idea being Eliza wanting to say something about the actor's experience in Hollywood? I didn't think the show's meta-fiction aspect was any mysterious hidden thing.
I also think discussion of the shoe center's too much on this idea. As a premise goes, it's only ever loosely nodded to, and far less than the more esoteric ideas of free will and beginnings and ends of personal identity. As with many things Joss says, I suspect fans have taken something he said as a starting point, and tried to read it into every aspect of the show. There was a point as the the show developed that the meta issues fell away somewhat and the show's internal mythology moved forward.