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Buffista Movies 7: Brides for 7 Samurai  

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§ ita § - Dec 07, 2009 2:50:14 pm PST #5395 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it bugs me in much the same way Star Trek did

It's probably both late and redundant of me to ask how Star Trek bothered you. I mean, I get how SH can bother one, but I don't see what it has to do with NuTrek.

I like to think of this one Holmes movie as having to balance out most all of the others in making Holmes more athletic. So, really, he needs to be a decathlete (originally I typed Iron Man, meaning like the race, but too much) ninja. In the sequel he can be just a heptathlete. Samurai.


Polter-Cow - Dec 07, 2009 2:54:34 pm PST #5396 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I mean, I get how SH can bother one, but I don't see what it has to do with NuTrek.

I can see it. They're both updates of old stories with a lot more whizz-bang and explosions, almost thumbing their nose at how stuffy their previous counterparts must have been.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 07, 2009 2:59:17 pm PST #5397 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Speaking of Alan Arkin movies, I really should seek out a copy of Wait Until Dark for a rewatch. Love that movie, and Arkin is amazingly creepy as Harry Roat. If you've not seen it, make sure you watch it with all the lights out for full effect.

Oh dear lord. THIS was the first movie I remember seeing Alan Arkin in, and to say that it's quite a discrepancy from his later career is I think a huge understatement. Stephen King, in his horror literature/tv/movie survey Dance Macabre, claimed that Arkin as Harry Roate from Scarsdale was one of the most evil characters he'd ever seen on film, and I agree. It's colored ever Arkin role I've seen since, and this is NOT the note he usually played over the years.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 07, 2009 3:00:21 pm PST #5398 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Plus - you're terrorizing (blind) Audrey Hepburn for two hours - that's evil INCARNATE!


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2009 3:10:18 pm PST #5399 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

thumbing their nose at how stuffy their previous counterparts must have been

You get that from Star Trek, really? I thought it was quite content to co-exist in the same universe as the rest of the stories. Yes, it's whizzbangier because so are we, but I didn't feel it was at all critical of what came before it. I thought it was very inclusive of the past.

Holmes, on the other hand, is positioning itself to be the only Holmes story ever told, and therefore better than everything that came before it. I can't say without seeing it if it's thumbing its nose at its predecessors, but it's surely trying to supplant them entirely. That's its job.


Glamcookie - Dec 07, 2009 3:11:44 pm PST #5400 of 30000
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Haven't seen "Blacksnake Moan". But a movie where a guy decides the best help he can give an assault victim is to keep her chained (semi-nude) to a radiator? Maybe something more than prudishness keeping people away. If that is not problematic or if it deals well with the problematic issue, you need to explain before I'll lend it my eyeballs. And no "deeply spiritual" is not enough of an explaination.

I was pleasantly surprised by this film. The premise sounded really awful and foul, but it actually was a healing, well-made story at its heart. We rented it because we'd read some good reviews, but were prepared to turn it off. It was very good.


Polter-Cow - Dec 07, 2009 3:19:35 pm PST #5401 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

You get that from Star Trek, really?

I didn't, but I think the marketing seemed to take that stance with all the "This ain't your papa's Star Trek" business. I also came at the movie originally as someone generally unfamiliar with the old series, so I had a different perspective than Strega.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2009 3:24:31 pm PST #5402 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I also came at the movie originally as someone generally unfamiliar with the old series, so I had a different perspective than Strega.

I'm not yet sure what Strega's opinion was, but I came at it from the perspective of someone who's seen all of Trek except Enterprise, and I didn't get a superior attitude from it. Did anyone else?

I'm not sure how I would describe Blacksnake Moan, but "man chains woman" isn't it. That definitely wasn't what I came away thinking about the movie.


Connie Neil - Dec 07, 2009 3:25:59 pm PST #5403 of 30000
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The air of "We're going to do Star Trek right!" that I picked up from the marketing really annoyed me. I've always felt that all the alternate universe stuff was put in to prevent the legions of original Trek fans from confiscating and destroying all the prints.

No, I didn't like it. Trek: 90210.

Edit: Because if the original story line was good enough, they could have set up a new bunch of cadets following in the old guard's footsteps, then they could have the young, pretty, hop-in-the-sack kids to play with.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 07, 2009 3:47:06 pm PST #5404 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I didn't much like the new approach to Trek, but it seemed to me they were bending over backwards to respect what came before.