Bruce? Tallish guy, dark hair, sometimes has a deep voice?
Up until the punching, it was a real nice party.
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§ ita § - Jul 26, 2012 8:50:53 am PDT #22008 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Polter-Cow - Jul 26, 2012 9:07:34 am PDT #22009 of 30000
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Right, but I don't understand how he could be Alfred when he's off jetsetting with Selina and pretending to be dead.
§ ita § - Jul 26, 2012 9:18:34 am PDT #22010 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It's not the logistics of it for me. I don't see where it fits in with his personality.
Vonnie K - Jul 26, 2012 10:03:07 am PDT #22011 of 30000
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Extended trailer for the film adaptation of Cloud Atlas: [link]
That looks amazing. I haven't read the book yet -- I have a copy at home, but I keep picking it up and putting it down because it's too dense for what passes as my brain nowadays.
Steph L. - Jul 26, 2012 10:10:57 am PDT #22012 of 30000
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It's not the logistics of it for me. I don't see where it fits in with his personality.
I have a harder time with the actual events of the movie, because I just don't believe, in terms of his personality, that Bruce would quit being Batman while he was still alive. I don't. Or -- I'm perfectly willing to entertain the possibility of a Dark Knight Returns scenario where he retires from the cape and the cowl but keeps training young vigilantes. Or -- and this is a long shot -- a Kingdom Come (not Kingdom Come, damn it, I can't remember -- was it in JSA where the "sequel" to Kingdom Come" was done?) scenario where he shacks up with Superman and Wonder Woman. I'm cool with a superthreesome.
Polter-Cow - Jul 26, 2012 10:11:36 am PDT #22013 of 30000
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I'm going to get the audiobook from the library. It has a full cast!
§ ita § - Jul 26, 2012 10:15:04 am PDT #22014 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can, weirdly, see that Batman doing it, without feeling like that's not one of my Batmen, if that makes sense. It's a pretty huge departure, as well as Alfred walking away during a crisis moment, even if it is for his own good, but I think both things work for that particular story arc.
But I would be less accepting in anything other than such a clear trilogy with the peaks and valleys that implies.
Atropa - Jul 26, 2012 10:17:01 am PDT #22015 of 30000
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The more I think about it, the more Alfred walking away bugs me. Because Alfred wouldn't DO that. He's there for Bruce no matter what. Or am I forgetting something from comics canon that matches up?
Tom Scola - Jul 26, 2012 10:31:56 am PDT #22016 of 30000
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ita and Jilli, that pulled me out of the film, too. Alfred just doesn’t do that!
§ ita § - Jul 26, 2012 10:39:34 am PDT #22017 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I guess the point is (and it took me till the second viewing to try and accept it for what it is) that it's Just That Bad. Yes, it's a thing we consider inconceivable--that's how serious he is.
I would be more surprised to see it in the comics, but I'm not sure how I'd take Alfred lying about Rachel there too. I'm torn on that also.