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'The Killer In Me'


Buffista Movies 7: Brides for 7 Samurai  

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Steph L. - Jul 26, 2012 10:10:57 am PDT #22012 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

It's not the logistics of it for me. I don't see where it fits in with his personality.

I have a harder time with the actual events of the movie, because I just don't believe, in terms of his personality, that Bruce would quit being Batman while he was still alive. I don't. Or -- I'm perfectly willing to entertain the possibility of a Dark Knight Returns scenario where he retires from the cape and the cowl but keeps training young vigilantes. Or -- and this is a long shot -- a Kingdom Come (not Kingdom Come, damn it, I can't remember -- was it in JSA where the "sequel" to Kingdom Come" was done?) scenario where he shacks up with Superman and Wonder Woman. I'm cool with a superthreesome.


Polter-Cow - Jul 26, 2012 10:11:36 am PDT #22013 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm going to get the audiobook from the library. It has a full cast!


§ ita § - Jul 26, 2012 10:15:04 am PDT #22014 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can, weirdly, see that Batman doing it, without feeling like that's not one of my Batmen, if that makes sense. It's a pretty huge departure, as well as Alfred walking away during a crisis moment, even if it is for his own good, but I think both things work for that particular story arc.

But I would be less accepting in anything other than such a clear trilogy with the peaks and valleys that implies.


Atropa - Jul 26, 2012 10:17:01 am PDT #22015 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

The more I think about it, the more Alfred walking away bugs me. Because Alfred wouldn't DO that. He's there for Bruce no matter what. Or am I forgetting something from comics canon that matches up?


Tom Scola - Jul 26, 2012 10:31:56 am PDT #22016 of 30000
hwæt

ita and Jilli, that pulled me out of the film, too. Alfred just doesn’t do that!


§ ita § - Jul 26, 2012 10:39:34 am PDT #22017 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I guess the point is (and it took me till the second viewing to try and accept it for what it is) that it's Just That Bad. Yes, it's a thing we consider inconceivable--that's how serious he is.

I would be more surprised to see it in the comics, but I'm not sure how I'd take Alfred lying about Rachel there too. I'm torn on that also.


Strega - Jul 26, 2012 12:57:55 pm PDT #22018 of 30000

That is straight from the comics. The only difference is the timing: in the comics, Alfred quit when Bruce decided to return to Gotham after his spine was handwaved back together.


Polter-Cow - Jul 26, 2012 1:16:42 pm PDT #22019 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I remember that now!


Gris - Jul 26, 2012 2:41:11 pm PDT #22020 of 30000
Hey. New board.

I love that moment. Never read Nightfall in comics but the novelization is surprisingly awesome.


Juliebird - Jul 26, 2012 4:01:43 pm PDT #22021 of 30000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I think the one thing that I didn't get/catch was the leaving something in Bruce's will for Blake. I was confounded by the scene where Blake picked up the duffel bag, and then of course where the heck the coordinates came from. I was either overwhelmed with feelings or an overly-loud score at the time.