I'm going to get the audiobook from the library. It has a full cast!
Mal: Well, you were right about this being a bad idea. Zoe: Thanks for sayin', sir.
'Serenity'
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Polter-Cow - Jul 26, 2012 10:11:36 am PDT #22013 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
§ ita § - Jul 26, 2012 10:15:04 am PDT #22014 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can, weirdly, see that Batman doing it, without feeling like that's not one of my Batmen, if that makes sense. It's a pretty huge departure, as well as Alfred walking away during a crisis moment, even if it is for his own good, but I think both things work for that particular story arc.
But I would be less accepting in anything other than such a clear trilogy with the peaks and valleys that implies.
Atropa - Jul 26, 2012 10:17:01 am PDT #22015 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
The more I think about it, the more Alfred walking away bugs me. Because Alfred wouldn't DO that. He's there for Bruce no matter what. Or am I forgetting something from comics canon that matches up?
Tom Scola - Jul 26, 2012 10:31:56 am PDT #22016 of 30000
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ita and Jilli, that pulled me out of the film, too. Alfred just doesn’t do that!
§ ita § - Jul 26, 2012 10:39:34 am PDT #22017 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I guess the point is (and it took me till the second viewing to try and accept it for what it is) that it's Just That Bad. Yes, it's a thing we consider inconceivable--that's how serious he is.
I would be more surprised to see it in the comics, but I'm not sure how I'd take Alfred lying about Rachel there too. I'm torn on that also.
Strega - Jul 26, 2012 12:57:55 pm PDT #22018 of 30000
That is straight from the comics. The only difference is the timing: in the comics, Alfred quit when Bruce decided to return to Gotham after his spine was handwaved back together.
Polter-Cow - Jul 26, 2012 1:16:42 pm PDT #22019 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I remember that now!
Gris - Jul 26, 2012 2:41:11 pm PDT #22020 of 30000
Hey. New board.
I love that moment. Never read Nightfall in comics but the novelization is surprisingly awesome.
Juliebird - Jul 26, 2012 4:01:43 pm PDT #22021 of 30000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
I think the one thing that I didn't get/catch was the leaving something in Bruce's will for Blake. I was confounded by the scene where Blake picked up the duffel bag, and then of course where the heck the coordinates came from. I was either overwhelmed with feelings or an overly-loud score at the time.
§ ita § - Jul 26, 2012 4:11:11 pm PDT #22022 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
He was picking it up from the final settlement of the Wayne estate. In the bag was a GPS, and apparently he needed that to guide him back to the Manor, but this time via backdoor into the secret lair...where he would begin to be a pretty inexperienced cop who'd promptly get beat down by a whole bunch of very pissed off bad guys with a grudge against Batman. After spending so much time stressing Bruce's training...how does that make sense?
Harrumph.