And even for convicted terrorists there is a wide range between "pampering" and torture.
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Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Typo Boy - Jan 22, 2009 4:38:47 pm PST #3136 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Theodosia - Jan 22, 2009 4:43:18 pm PST #3137 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
The most interesting suggestion that I've seen about the need for some review of the torture we committed is that we need some fair and open review of the information obtained that way -- as in, was it more than vaguely accurate? Cheney is so sure about how it's been a really useful tool, it only seems fair that we should have a real accounting of what information was "obtained" and whether it turned out to be useful.
When you find out that one of the Guantanamo detainees was 14 when captured -- and according to torture-obtained testimony was supposedly in Al Qaida training in London when he was 11... yeah, I bet it's mostly all like that.
Jesse - Jan 22, 2009 4:48:21 pm PST #3138 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
If there's anything nicer than a US jail, it's a prison! That's what I've always heard, anyway....
sarameg - Jan 22, 2009 4:49:39 pm PST #3139 of 30000
It's a real problem especially where our detainees were innocent. Or even if they aren't! Really think they aren't gonna harbor any ill will or seriously fucked up psyches after Guantanamo for 7 or whatever years? We have to right and just by them, but how? I hope we find a way. I'm glad my country is finally addressing that, but it will be a doozy. "Oops, sorry, the previous guy was wrong? Have a nice day?"
juliana - Jan 22, 2009 4:54:17 pm PST #3140 of 30000
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…
the aftereffects of this morning's procedure.
ita, how are you? I'm sorry there's aftereffects.
Really think they aren't gonna harbor any ill will or seriously fucked up psyches after Guantanamo for 7 or whatever years?
Nah, you think?
JenP - Jan 22, 2009 4:54:25 pm PST #3141 of 30000
Is anyone else having issues with Gmail? It's flipping out when I try to go to the site, no matter how I try to get there. Weird.
Cashmere - Jan 22, 2009 4:57:37 pm PST #3142 of 30000
Now tagless for your comfort.
I saw an interview with a detainee that was released from Gitmo after it was determined he was innocent. He said if a person wasn't a terrorist when they went in, the sure as hell would be when they came out.
So, yeah, we've actually created terrorists.
Still, I'd like to see a little due process.
Typo Boy - Jan 22, 2009 4:58:07 pm PST #3143 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
That argues for reparations. Lots of psychological damage. We need to provide with enough so they don't need to work, and pay medical bills including mental health treatment. Also some of them are guilty, but if they were tortured that contaminates the evidence against them and they still have to be let free. Innocent or guilty if they were tortured they have to be let free. (In theory not true, but if you tortured someone try to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that any evidence you have against them is independent of that.) Really this is not complicated. It may be hard, but it is simple.
tommyrot - Jan 22, 2009 4:58:21 pm PST #3144 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Is anyone else having issues with Gmail?
It's fine for me....
JenP - Jan 22, 2009 5:04:13 pm PST #3145 of 30000
I just changed browsers and got in fine. Hmmm.