an author might write a novel set in 2736 and consider it sci fi without including any tech advances or explorations of what those advances have done to society, and *think* it's a really good book.

That's kind of what Doris Lessing did.

I feel like we're talking around each other now, so.

I'm arguing that while all genres have conventions, some genres restrict the narrative/plot more than others. That's all.

Some writer had to push for something truer to their experience than the genre convention allowed

That's certainly true, and admirable.

Maybe my point should have been that more authors should learn what makes a basic good book before pushing to be unique or boundary-breaking.

I edit a lot of different genres. Mystery, sci fi, romance, women's fiction, some fantasy. In the short sci fi novel I'm working on right now, he doesn't establish his tech terms, he leaves huge holes where explanation of the changes to society should be, and he can't write a properly punctuated sentence to save his life. It's not a bad *story* but it's not a very good book.

I have no idea if he thinks he's breaking rules or being true to himself, but unless he's a completely jaded hack doing it for a quick buck, I would be willing to bet he damn well *thinks* he's writing the best book he can.

A different point, I guess. But I think it's a valid one. Write the best book you can, sure. But know what the hell a good book looks like.

But know what the hell a good book looks like.

Spoken like an editor!

Dinner: a half piece of toast moistened with soy milk, followed by tylenol and ipubuferin. Fuckin Tino gave me one of my sick headaches. As a bonus, got some weird kind of foot cramp where my toes would spasm and spontaneously contort themselves into painful positions. Feeling better and going to sleep.

Writing to your audience is pandering straight up.

Isn't that kind of close to "You'll read what I write and like it, peon"? If you have an audience in the first place, they like what you write. Do you then stop writing what they like, because otherwise you're pandering to them? God forbid you give the people who buy your stuff something they want to read.

I suppose you're meaning to address writers responding to direct fan requests which is probably in the most part a bad idea. But accusing someone of trying to please the people who like your stuff of pandering is pretty damned elitist. Along with the (paraphrased) "How dare they not just buy whatever I want to write. Just because they're paying me, they think they have a say in what the final product is. Philistines" thing.

Isn't that kind of close to "You'll read what I write and like it, peon"?

No. It presumes you're writing to satisfy your own standards without regard to who will read it if anyone.

I suppose you're meaning to address writers responding to direct fan requests which is probably in the most part a bad idea.

No.

But accusing someone of trying to please the people who like your stuff of pandering is pretty damned elitist.

What do you think pandering means anyway?

What do you think pandering means anyway?

Obsequiously currying ideas from a patron and then creating something for the sole pleasure of receiving a reward for that act, without regard for the quality of the product.

It presumes you're writing to satisfy your own standards without regard to who will read it if anyone.

Or who, if anyone, will pay you for it? A noble goal, go forth and write the work of art that lives in your soul.

Obsequiously currying ideas from a patron and then creating something for the sole pleasure of receiving a reward for that act, without regard for the quality of the product.

Well, as the (possibly belated for you) link points out it just means: "to provide gratification for others' desires."

And the reason the word has a negative and whoreish connotation is because it's not a good idea.

Okay, officially don't care if we want to deploy this weekend. Am tired of testing and updating code issues. Will now drink some Drambuie and then sleep for a millionty billion hours, and hope the peripheral edema is better when I wake up.

Spare Cat has removed her staple by catching it in the soft fabric edging on her fabric e-collar. That damn cat is just talented, you know?

At least the wound is actually closing up and looking like it's healing well.