None of the codas are hitting the right button for me, but I think I need more time to let it all sink in. I usually need some time to figure out for myself where I think it will go, and where I want to go, first.
It's all about choices, Faith. The ones we make, and the ones we don't. Oh, and the consequences. Those are always fun.
Angelus ,'Smile Time'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Amy - May 14, 2010 3:53:41 pm PDT #9069 of 30002
Because books.
Anne W. - May 14, 2010 3:55:08 pm PDT #9070 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
None of the codas are hitting the right button for me, but I think I need more time to let it all sink in.
I am very deliberately not reading any coda fic right now. I still need to process, and I think most 'fixit' fic would annoy me to no end.
P.M. Marc - May 14, 2010 3:56:50 pm PDT #9071 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I am very deliberately not reading any coda fic right now. I still need to process, and I think most 'fixit' fic would annoy me to no end.
I'm mostly reading "break it MORE!" fic.
Which is very little of what's out there. Sadly.
§ ita § - May 14, 2010 3:59:51 pm PDT #9072 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Yeah, that fic doesn't show anything that Dean did that was shitty. Just that he thought of himself that way. And that? Textbook Dean with an extra helping of mourning.
Right--I forgot about the saying goodbye to Bobby in the timeline. I don't remember how he's dressed for that, but I'd imagine it's a pretty compressed timeline. Like Amy said, alone is not good for him right now.
I'm mainly wondering how much time between Dean showing up at Lisa's and Sam appearing outside.
Yeah, it's hard to see, clotheswise. It could be the same outfit.
Lucifer messing with Sam during the mirror scene(s) [...] seems like a long way to go to remind us that Lucifer is a bad guy.
I think it was a long way to go (but not in a bad way) to show us the destiny involved in Sam embracing the Lucifer choice and I think it all paid off marvellously with the look on Sam's face after the demons were all killed. Plus I'm sure it will have ramifications about whoever/whatever he is now.
eta:
I need to avoid fixit fic that thinks the finale was broken. I liked the finale. Putting things back together after that pain, easily or hard, that is interesting.
Theresa - May 14, 2010 4:13:14 pm PDT #9073 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
Doesn't make him a shitty dad to YOU
I understand where you are all coming from and if it had said Dean thought he was a shitty dad that would be different from putting forth the declaritive statement that Dean was a shitty dad. "Dean is a dick, basically." For that to happen, Dean has to do something that causes that state to come into being. I have a hard time getting to that place for Dean. He probably thinks he is a shitty boyfriend, son, brother, father, everything, but doesn't mean he was.
And now I realize that I am arguing a point in a coda that I don't really care about. I can go along with Dean is a shitty dad. This is one of those moments though when I'm thinking I was watching a different show and a different Dean.
§ ita § - May 14, 2010 4:21:33 pm PDT #9074 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
that would be different from putting forth the declaritive statement that Dean was a shitty dad
Eh. It's Dean POV.
Cass - May 14, 2010 4:23:45 pm PDT #9075 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
and if it had said Dean thought he was a shitty dad that would be different from putting forth the declaritive statement
It was his POV. Like, in-head narration.
So, for me, it was Dean's thoughts about himself. Not an outside judgment.
eta: Oh. ita already said that. Whoops.
Atropa - May 14, 2010 4:26:19 pm PDT #9076 of 30002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
I didn't get a sense of who Michael was other than someone who took his filial duty to an assholish extreme.
I pretty much agree. And I've got to admit, I was a little narratively disappointed in the Stand-Off of Meaningful Dialog between Lucifer and Michael.
Amy - May 14, 2010 4:33:25 pm PDT #9077 of 30002
Because books.
I didn't get a sense of who Michael was other than someone who took his filial duty to an assholish extreme.
I don't think we were meant to, though? He seemed to be a symbol to me, in a way Lucifer wasn't.
Lucifer was (possibly) what Sam could have been, taken to the extreme, embracing the darkside and its power.
Michael was, well, Dean. Until very recently. A Dean who never learned that he could choose something outside of what his father had trained him to do.
Anne W. - May 14, 2010 4:40:19 pm PDT #9078 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
I don't think we were meant to, though? He seemed to be a symbol to me, in a way Lucifer wasn't.
That's part of the problem. Lucifer was (to me) an interesting character, with complex feelings and relationships to his brothers. The Lucifer-Gabriel confrontation packed a lot more punch than the Lucifer-Michael fight. It's more compelling to see one fleshed-out character fight another than to see that same character fight a symbol or an idea.
IMO, Lucifer was just as intransigent as Michael, but there was more to him that that intransigence. Now that I think of it, I think that if I had cared about Michael as a character, that fall into the pit would have had even more of a punch. It would have been heroic for Sam and heartbreakingly tragic (in the old, hubrisy sense) for Michael.