especially the brothel ep

Yeah, the brothel ep. Dean makes some comment about how he hasn't laughed so much in years, and I remember thinking that Dean's not laughing with Castiel he's laughing at Castiel, and that's kind of unpleasant. But I guess it's a YMMV kind of thing, because if I remember right a lot of people liked that episode.

YOU CAN! Come sit on my bench!

And what a fine bench it is.

How was The Song Remains The Same mottsy? Sure, they removed him tidily from the field of play, but I loved him stepping up to Anna in the time we did have with him.

They fucked themselves, having the potential power lying around when the boys needed it, so they had to move him around a lot, but I don't think they made him unfierce, even as they progressively depowered him, or put him up against archangels.

He's been consistently focussed on the end game, and I love that about him.

The brothel thing...that's the shit aesc ignored in her Casifesto. That's Cas imprinted on Dean and following his lead because he needs a lead to follow. But I think that's been in his character well since S4.

I give Dean credit for trying to laugh with Cas about it, but honestly, he was so fucked up in that episode. The entire idea was wack, and I chalk shit up to the Sam-shaped void in his life or crap writing. Because I don't understand how we're supposed to believe that's the best laugh he's had in forever. Just look at the smiles vid.

Yeah, the brothel ep. Dean makes some comment about how he hasn't laughed so much in years, and I remember thinking that Dean's not laughing with Castiel he's laughing at Castiel, and that's kind of unpleasant.

I don't know if I took it as laughing "at", but Dean's laughter did make me squirm. I think I took it more as not believing his laughter. Like either Jensen was having a bad day, or maybe Dean was forcing hiself to laugh and talk shit about Sam.

but really, I just didn't buy that that's how Castiel would act about sex, or that he'd even let himself be led into that situation, period.

I didn't like the brothel scene, but I think it was Dean's character I was troubled by. Cas was his hapless victim along for the ride with no clue what vehicle he was in. I might have gotten carried away with the metaphor.

Dean felt OOC for me, but I'll buy ita's argument that he was f'd up with the absence of Sam.

That was the only motts moment for me this season.

How was The Song Remains The Same mottsy?

It wasn't. I was referring exclusively to Free to be You and Me. The whorehouse stuff.

It wasn't.

So what was wrong with him in the ep? How did they sabotage his character?

They fucked themselves, having the potential power lying around when the boys needed it

Precisely.

If they'd know know how much Misha would be fangirl catnip, I suspect they might have done a lot of early writing different. But they made him an Angel of the Lord and that's hard to write around when he's a sidekick.

Ugh. The stress of waiting for the finale and then knowing we've got a whole summer to wait. Ugh.

The whorehouse stuff never bothered me. I think Dean relates to Castiel as a human, because he knows that -- human desire is pretty much his default, whether it's for pie or alcohol or sex.

I do think Cas is a little bit of a baby duckling there, and by then in general -- he's more than willing to take Dean's lead. But I didn't feel that Dean was laughing *at* him in a malicious way, even at the end (although I agree with ita that it's certainly not the hardest he's laughed in a while, however you measure it). My take was that he was simply overwhelmed by his own foolishness in suggesting it, and Cas's earnestness with Chastity.

My take was that he was simply overwhelmed by his own foolishness in suggesting it, and Cas's earnestness with Chastity

Yeah, it was very ludicrous, and ill-fated, and that warrants a laugh or three, but it was neither the be all nor the end all.

And, Cas--totally imprinted.