I love Cas. He has just evolved. And may or may not contain Jimmy.
Spike: You pissed in the Big Man's Chair? That's fantastic! Gunn: Spike, can you please turn off that warm fuzzy? Spike: What, the Lorne thing? Worn off. I just think that's bloody fabulous.
'Life of the Party'
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Theresa - May 11, 2010 6:02:23 pm PDT #8704 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
§ ita § - May 11, 2010 6:06:42 pm PDT #8705 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I didn't realize/remember how much they screwed over his character.
You think Point of No Return!Cas was screwed over? He was bad assed! I never stopped loving him, but, damn, it burned fierce in that episode. Just beating the shit out of everyone. BAMF indeed.
But I also like Castiel who wants painkillers and who summons a speck of angel mojo to fake out Pestilence and lop off his fingers. And who discovers the joy of a shotgun.
That's my boy.
PLEASE LIVE.
Morgana - May 11, 2010 6:07:34 pm PDT #8706 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Man, I didn't realize/remember how much they screwed over his character.
In my opinion, it didn't help that they started making him the butt of easy jokes so often. Hard to view him as "bad-ass, terrifying, sexual-tension oozing Castiel" when he's being seen as the guy who's fumbling for the correct word or action.
edit - I loved fierce Castiel who went into protective mode. I just wish we could have seen more of that version of him.
SuziQ - May 11, 2010 6:08:16 pm PDT #8707 of 30002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame
Not clicking, not clicking, not clicking.....two more days. I can do it.
ehab - May 11, 2010 6:09:07 pm PDT #8708 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala
I like all flavors of Cas and do not think his character has been screwed over at all.
§ ita § - May 11, 2010 6:10:55 pm PDT #8709 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think the Casifesto is an interesting look at the badassedness of Cas as maintained throughout his time on the show, but I think it disregards his transition from faith in God to faith in Dean, and that he may be a fierce warrior with no time or patience to bother to fit it, but he still is about devotion to a figurehead.
Lee - May 11, 2010 6:13:18 pm PDT #8710 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
two more days. I can do it.
YOU CAN! Come sit on my bench!
Juliebird - May 11, 2010 6:18:58 pm PDT #8711 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
You think Point of No Return!Cas was screwed over?
I think that's the first time they let him be what he once was in season 4. Because the rest of the time there was
they started making him the butt of easy jokes so often.
Where before he wasn't there much but when he was, there was the bad-assery and the power and then doubt and struggle, and then suddenly there was him not there much except as a presence to write quickly and clumsily out of the episode. It felt like poor writerly neutering, and not a progression of a slow fall.
I love him so much, but a lot of the season 5 stuff just makes me cringe or feel bad.
§ ita § - May 11, 2010 6:26:28 pm PDT #8712 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Cas who banishes Zachariah in 5x01 or tries to kill Jesse or pushes Meg face down in the fire to escape the angel oil? I think he's had his SRS BZNS moments this season too.
Juliebird - May 11, 2010 6:41:50 pm PDT #8713 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
Maybe it's just the eps that I have rewatched most recently that leave me with this bad taste in my mouth, but even in Abandon All Hope, it felt like he was being cut off from the main story in a ball-snipping way. "Cas wanders away and is no longer integral to the main story and can't use his aweseome angel might to keep shit from getting too dire." Although I think this was one of the better-handled episodes for him.
But Changing Channels, Back to the Future II... oh god, especially the brothel ep (Free to Be...?) was so incredibly motts for me.