Aha! But this means they started sleeping together after that episode.

No, I don't get it. I'm reading episode reactions that are otherwise thoughtful, even when I disagree in parts and then whammo! Cited as evidence.

See, between this and the erotically codependent line, it's totally blessed by TPTB.

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I'm reading on people's LJs that Crowley's comment "the things I've heard" about his bug in the car means that he's overheard the boys having sex. So we have (more) canon Wincest.

I didn't think it was canon if it was so open to interpretation. Crowley follows it up immediately with something that he heard. It could have been that Crowley was shocked by Sam's farting. I think that's only a Jared thing on the blooper reel, but still.

It's not Spike:"Well I guess I don't have to worry about that cause Angel and me have never been intimate...except that one..."

I'm not against wincest. But if something is claimed as canon, I want it to be legitimately canon. Man that fills me with self-righteous indignation. I don't care if you fool around with your brother, but by God don't fool around with the laws of canon.

CWfT is terrific! Thanks for linking, ita.

But if something is claimed as canon, I want it to be legitimately canon. Man that fills me with self-righteous indignation. I don't care if you fool around with your brother, but by God don't fool around with the laws of canon.

I might not agree with it (and, actually, I don't because I know exactly the journal entry and I was a little agog at it) but I will totally defend people's right to see canon however they choose in their own journals.

If you're looking for Wincest and have been seeing it in the show for a while, this season adds a lot. In a wink and a nudge way, but if that is an integral part of the show for you...

It could have been that Crowley was shocked by Sam's farting. I think that's only a Jared thing on the blooper reel, but still.

Dean calls Sam gassy in Yellow Fever, so that at least is something for Crowley to have heard.

Anyway, Dean/Castiel is totally going to be canon before Wincest. I mean, come on. It's SO obvious.

Thanks for linking, ita.

I am obviously the nice one.

I'm in the middle of Dean/Castiel written by someone obsessed with the idea of Castiel's vessel, which is interesting, except it was before the Jimmy Novak reveal, so it's all Jossed and confusing. Also, she keeps getting actual canon wrong. And yet I read. Why can't I make a break of it and maybe stumble onto another gem?

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I will totally defend people's right to see canon however they choose in their own journals.

See, me, I believe in a one true canon. No one actually said they slept together, so it's nothing but wish fulfillment to pretend otherwise--cop to that. It's not even a strong implication.

I am obviously the nice one.

You know that doesn't work even here, where msbelle is not, don't you?

See, me, I believe in a one true canon. No one actually said they slept together, so it's nothing but wish fulfillment to pretend otherwise--cop to that. It's not even a strong implication.

This.

Now the "erotically co-dependent" I view as canon and people can then interpret the narrator or whatever about it, but it doesn't change it from being said.

See, me, I believe in a one true canon.

Well I believe in the canon how *I* see it and sometimes, in this show, it is less than explicit. So I really just defend people's rights to see things inaccurately in their own journals. But I only get to tell them they are craxy and wrong if they say it in a more public venue. It's the John Winchester effect, for me.

I am still putting a "rec" list together.

I figure things can waver when it comes to unreliability of narrators, etc (I believe Sam when he says John drank a lot, for instance, but not Zach about the erotic co-dependence). Just that when you do all the work in filling in the meaning like that, you don't get to call it canon without me looking at you funny, even if it's in your journal. I choose to interpret a lot of stuff (like, say, John may have hit the kids) but I'm not going to call them canon in any forum, even if I can point clearly to where I inferred it from.

I am still putting a "rec" list together.

Any starter kit should have, say, 5 vids on it too. And a question I see on IO9 a lot is "How much of S1 should I watch if I don't want to watch the whole thing?" So that should be covered.

Me? Demanding? Jamais!

Any starter kit should have, say, 5 vids on it too.

I feel certain I've rec'd more than five vids already. Haven't I?

And it's already more than a starter kit but culling further would involve rereading all of the stories and putting them in more of an order. So it's Things Cass Liked list. With links and a caution to read any warnings.