Spike? It's you. It's really you! My therapist thought I was holding on to false hope, but…I knew you'd come back. You're like…you're like Gandalf the White, resurrected from the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever. Oh…he's alive Frodo. He's alive.

Andrew ,'Damage'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Beverly - Apr 30, 2010 8:28:55 am PDT #8185 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Ep is up on iTunes, for those who iTunes.


§ ita § - Apr 30, 2010 8:34:46 am PDT #8186 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was about to say,

Oh, you already did! Very good call. Misha and Mark would tear things up. Man oh, man.

ita, I already sent it to you

Ooh, thanks!

Ep is up on iTunes, for those who iTunes.

Do you people who buy on iTunes end up purchasing the seasons on DVD too?

Hmm. If Sam is Moose, is Dean Squirrel?

In the midst of insomnia-induced tossing and turning the other morning, I envisioned customised T-shirts for the boys. They get two each. They're either wearing "Don't fuck with me. I'm with Dean (or Sam) Winchester." or "I'm with Stupid."

Most of last night Sam was wearing his "I'm with Stupid" shirt. Now I think I want to change the shirts in my head to "I'm with Moose" and "I'm with Squirrel".


Amy - Apr 30, 2010 8:35:55 am PDT #8187 of 30002
Because books.

In the midst of insomnia-induced tossing and turning the other morning, I envisioned customised T-shirts for the boys. They get two each. They're either wearing "Don't fuck with me. I'm with Dean (or Sam) Winchester." or "I'm with Stupid."

Most of last night Sam was wearing his "I'm with Stupid" shirt. Now I think I want to change the shirts in my head to "I'm with Moose" and "I'm with Squirrel".

I LOVE YOU.


Beverly - Apr 30, 2010 8:44:43 am PDT #8188 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Yes. I started iTunes before we had a dvr. And then I had to share the dvr and had to delete as I watched. I wanted eps to rewatch, so iTunes was the way. But you get no extra features on iTunes. Plus, dvds! In your hand! That you can stroke and pet and murmur over and call my precioussss.

I wound up moving previous seasons to a portable exterior drive, but I still have them. So anywhere I go that I take my laptop, I have multiple seasons of SPN plus lotsa vids plus a few other things to watch if I get bored. Same laptop plays dvds. My writing "retreats" involved a lot of carrot-and-stick in the form of eps and things.


Atropa - Apr 30, 2010 8:46:06 am PDT #8189 of 30002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

During Sam's final confrontation with Brady, after Brady started telling him that Sam was a demon too (paraphrasing, bear with me), I wondered if Sam was going to be able to walk over the salt line.


Cass - Apr 30, 2010 9:17:03 am PDT #8190 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I've wondered a few times if they were going to have issues with Sam crossing lines and such. How human is little Sammy, you know?

we saw him in Sam's room when he was a baby and we were led to assume Mary's death and Jess's death went down the same way.

We were led to assume that but having it be Brady doesn't feel retcon to me so much as clarification. I'd never have thought Jess wasn't killed by the YED, but it makes just as much sense to have a henchmen do it.


§ ita § - Apr 30, 2010 9:23:03 am PDT #8191 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Brady doesn't feel retcon to me so much as clarification

How do you define retcon, then? To me it's something that doesn't violate the facts as set down, but definitely contradicts the assumptions that the writers have happily had you make--and I think it's probable that the writers had YED killing Jess like they'd had him killing Mary, until such time it was better for someone else to have done it.

Checking wikipedia indicates that the original coining of the term aligns with my usage, although it's come to include alteration of canon now. Hmmph.


Cass - Apr 30, 2010 9:28:46 am PDT #8192 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

How do you define retcon, then?

Incorrectly.


SuziQ - Apr 30, 2010 9:38:03 am PDT #8193 of 30002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Perkins - I'd like the song also.

I also wondered about the salt line and Sam.

In addition to the Brady killed Jess, there was something else that jumped out as a "retcon" or change in what we thought was canon and now I don't remember what it was. Off to iTunes to watch again, I guess.


Typo Boy - Apr 30, 2010 9:40:28 am PDT #8194 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I'm trying to decide whether there is any chance Crowley is not playing them. My conclusions - some, but that is not the way to bet.

1) Crowley's reasoning on what happens to demons if Lucifer wins is spot on. Demons are just us mud-monkey's (who Lucifer hates in a sibling-rivalry-slasher-movie sort of way), twisted into a weapon to use against heaven and against other mud-monkeys. When he has no more use for them they will be discarded. Aside from Lucifer's back story we saw the evidence for this in episode where it turned out the Colt could not kill Lucifer.

2) But the sending of Lucifer back to hell (as opposed to the original plan of killing Lucifer) does not solve Crowley's dilemma. A Lucifer in hell still has agents on earth who will eventually track Crowley down, and send him to hell to be tortured forever.

3) Shepard turned the "I'm not to be trusted" vibe to max when his character was saying he did not know the Colt would not work. If that is a lie then Crowley is working with Lucifer from the beginning. Because there is no way he would put himself in that position deliberately. Either he thought the chance to destroy Lucifer was real, or he was working with Lucifer.

4) If Crowley sincerely took a shot at a Lucifer by giving the boys the Colt, then most likely he is working with them to get them into a position where they have a genuine chance to send Luci to hell, but he is a position to stop them. His intent is to do a deal with Lucifer - Crowley keeps boys from thwarting devilish plans and Lucifer does destroys Crowley with the other demons rather than tormenting Crowley eternally.

5) If you think about it this is why even demons who know the score probably will mostly support Lucifer. Stay loyal, and you get destroyed. Don't stay loyal and face eternal torment instead. Mind you most of the demons seemed to believe Lucifer is going to lead them into demon-happy-land. Massive brainwashing probably does not produce a gift for independent thinking in most cases.