ita can you share the outsider POV LJ community? I also love that look at the boys. There have been several great outsider pov's that I've read as crossovers with criminal minds and another procedural crime show I don't watch and can't remember the name of just now.

ehab, I can't get to it from work, so if no one else has chimed in with it by this evening, I'll post it then. Sorry about the delay.

My fic wishlist has changed. Things I want:

• wee!Chesters from John's POV, where we see him juggling fatherhood and hunting

• John POV fic about Adam

• good Jess POV fic about meeting Sam and her curiosity about the difference between him and most guys, his reticence about his family (and, you know, porn)

• Lisa POV fic about that weekend, what convinced her to spend a whole weekend with Dean, what she might have wondered or believed about what kind of guy he was, what he did for a living

• Dean's first few hours in hell (I like Teh Pain, too, sometimes)

• The Flagstaff Incident, from either boy's POV

• possibly some Castiel POV gen about the boys, and his own sacrifices

That ... got longer than I thought it would.

Most of the Dean/OFC fic where you get the OFC's POV has them reading him as a smooth operator or some such. I'd like to see a woman seduced by a stone cold killer, because, really, that's what would work on me. Yes, he plays a charming doofus, but I'd be interested in the woman that saw through the cracks where he wasn't actually acting and was just moving like a hunter and fell for that even if she couldn't know exactly what that was. Maybe she thought she was hooking up with an undercover cop, or a criminal.

Any Sam/OC fic where he gets seen as a lethal force is good by me. Hell, it doesn't have to be pron. I just love that view of the boys.

I don't think I'm ready to read about hell or Flagstaff. Too sad.

Hmm. I'm pretty indiscriminate with my reading right now, but my proper wishlist would be:

• Weechester fic where Dean has left high school and gets his GED and Sam is rebelling but

• Weechester fic when they're still wee enough that Dean is ridiculously out of place in his parenting efforts. John POV welcome especially as he marvels at it, with regret
• Dean/Castiel with all the rough edges
• Hustler!Dean without abuse
• Stanford Sam
• Codas!
• Outsider POV

Umm, I could go on forever, it seems.

Weechester fic when they're still wee enough that Dean is ridiculously out of place in his parenting efforts. John POV welcome especially as he marvels at it, with regret

Aw, yes. Very much so.

Do you mean hustler!Dean without abuse as in hustling doesn't come from abuse (by which I assume you mean John)?

Do you mean hustler!Dean without abuse as in hustling doesn't come from abuse

A fair amount of the stories I could find had his first foray into the biz be because some nasty guy forced him into it. Sometimes at a really distressingly young age. No likey.

I prefer the ones where a sexually precocious Dean decides "I can totally do that for money." Yeah, it's rose-glasses view, but that's what fic's for, right? I'm not asking for Pretty Woman or anything. Just a Dean who's making decisions, even ugly ones.

I get that. I think I don't mind hustler!fic being sort of ugly, even for Dean.

I have greater depths of pain tolerance than I once assumed.

I have greater depths of pain tolerance than I once assumed.

The one where he was assaulted at 9 and kept on in the life? More than I needed.

It's like Jess always being perfect. I can dig it happening sometimes (well, not at 9--that was just too unpleasant and broken (and dismissed like it wasn't ugly!)), but I like my Dean with agency too.

And smarts. Please to write smart!Dean, writers.

I didn't read that one, thank goodness. Good god. Nothing under the age of fourteen, please. Better yet, sixteen.

Now *I* want to clutch my pearls.

Dean is smart! I don't get why people think he's dumb. Not formally educated and stupid are two completely separate beasts.

Nothing under the age of fourteen, please. Better yet, sixteen.

So--fanonically, when did the boys lose their virginities? I'll give Dean 14 or 15, with a year or so later for boys, in my particular world. Sam, 16 or 17. Boys, if at all, Stanford.

Not formally educated and stupid are two completely separate beasts.

I'm totally down with the not good at anything in school he had to pay too much attention to like English or history, but good with math, engineering, shop, etc., and generally bright. I've read some authors who've decided to make Sam relatively math-deficient--is that something from Show, or just compensatory?

I dig that Sam's big-brained and everything, and I think it's too twee when writers make Dean just as smart, but hiding it to make Sam feel special, but there's plenty of room to be intelligent and not the genius.

And I'm only slightly talking as the sister of a Cambridge PhD here. There had fucking better be room.