But remember, Sam wouldn't know he was hunting monsters. Cops and people who hunt game don't hide their weapons from their kids, so I think it was probably just part of the cover story.

Just seemed like John was pretty lax about hiding hunting from Sam at that point in time.

Maybe he thought John was a gun salesman?

I interrupt the Sam discussion to bring you a video interview with JDM for his new movie. At the 7:12 mark he discusses SPN. To sum it up, he says that he loves JA & JP and would do anything for them, but doesn't sound so found of Kripke. Says he keeps hearing that he's too busy to appear on the show again, but that he's never been contacted. However given the way he hears the character of John's been trashed he doesn't think he could go back and play him again anyway.

Now I need to watch A Very Supernatural Christmas to refresh Sam questioning Dean about the journal and what John was doing.

Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things is S2. Do you mean Something Wicked? With the shtriga?

Honestly, by the end of S3, there wasn't anything John could teach his sons that was worth bringing him back from the grave for. I've mentioned before that part of the hero's journey is leaving the mentor figure behind, and they've done that. I think they tried it too quickly in IMToD, killing John off, and had to send in Bobby as the sub. But they're leaving his mentorship ep by ep, now, and it's a probability they'll leave him behind for good by the end of S5.

I'd love to see Dean get some resolution with his dad, F2F. I love that Sam was able to do that in TSRtS with "young" John. But there really isn't any point in John's return by now, for me. Though I do love JDM and would be happy to see him again, it just doesn't make narrative sense, by his point.

Yeah, the one with the shtriga.

Though I do love JDM and would be happy to see him again, it just doesn't make narrative sense, by his point.

Flashbacks! Weechesters! Those can always make sense.

But I can see if Kripke and Gamble have other things to do.

I just watched the recorded "Something Wicked". It's been a long time since I watched the interaction with John so I may ramble for a bit feeling the need to think it out myself.

I am further convinced that John didn't have to do or say much in Flagstaff to devastate Dean. In SW, he was just holding Sam and making sure he was alright. Most, if not all of the actual recrimination that happened was going on inside of Dean's head. Later, when the boys run into John in their present day, he talks and interacts with them in the same way. He's actually portrayed as a softer more caring man than they describe. They don't describe a teddy bear, but JDM is playing one.

Now, that said--

At the end of SW, Sam says he wishes sometimes that he could have the innocence of not knowing there were real monsters in the world. Now several seasons later, knowing more of the backstory, I got all riled. "Really Sammy? Seriously? You wish you could have had more innocence? Did you seriously just say that to Dean's face? Dean looks at him with not a trace of bitterness and says sometimes he wishes that for him too. There was nothing fraternal in it at all. No rivalry or bitterness. That was all from being a parental figure. Not caring that your children have it easier than you did, but actually setting that as your goal.

I also realized the reason that it didn't grate when I saw the episode way back is because I hadn't been on their journey long enough to understand how important that reaction from Dean was.

The thing is--Dean knew it in that scene. He knew all of the things that I didn't know yet and he still had that reaction. To me, that demonstrated to a greater degree how much more parental he is to Sam. It was kind of like going back and appreciating Dean letting Sam work on the engine of the Impala. Then I was able to watch Sam and understand how really clueless he was about Dean. He didn't say that to hurt Dean, I don't even think he knew it would hurt Dean any of the times that he left, but S5 Sam knows. He's heard enough of the stories now and seen enough of the wishes or dreams to get it. I'm amazed at how far they have evolved the character of Sam.

Dang, I am ready for Thursday!

Says he keeps hearing that he's too busy to appear on the show again, but that he's never been contacted. However given the way he hear's the character of John's been trashed he doesn't think he could go back and play him again anyway.

Thanks so much for linking that interview Morgana. I've heard JDM say this on more than one occasion. That he would like to reprise the role, but he is never asked. I think that indicates that maybe Kripke also agrees with Bev that the narrative reason for John to return is gone.

That said-- eff you Kripke. I want JDM on their show reading the phone book to the boys if nothing else. I DO NOT want to see a smiling John waving from Heaven with Mary. I want a real conversation between Dean and John. I want Dean to be able to vocalize to John how broken that he is (not that Dean is that self aware, but a little bit of a dialogue). I want to see some of the anger of being made to be his brother's keeper.

Also, that is very Not!John when JDM laughs. It's very cute and geeky and I was more than a little surprised. I guess I've never heard him laugh before.

The thing is--Dean knew it in that scene. He knew all of the things that I didn't know yet and he still had that reaction. To me, that demonstrated to a greater degree how much more parental he is to Sam. It was kind of like going back and appreciating Dean letting Sam work on the engine of the Impala. Then I was able to watch Sam and understand how really clueless he was about Dean. He didn't say that to hurt Dean, I don't even think he knew it would hurt Dean any of the times that he left, but S5 Sam knows. He's heard enough of the stories now and seen enough of the wishes or dreams to get it. I'm amazed at how far they have evolved the character of Sam.

I'm going to marry this paragraph, k?

Cool with me. Ima go make out with giggling JDM .