(although by the empty distribution in the hotel room, they were definitely both partaking hard)

I thought the leftovers were from their killers.

I thought the leftovers were from their killers.

Why would the killers leave empties in Sam and Dean's hotel room?

I thought Sam and Dean were drinking to oblivion, hence the passed out in bed fully dressed.

Just a thought, but anyone else think heaven sucks? Alone with the echoes of your memory? Yuck. And both Ash and Pamela seemed Stepford happy.

Count me as someone who wishes Pamela didn't mack on Dean, it just felt superfluous and left me feeling vaguely uncomfortable. I love Pamela, but I'm not sure what she added to the story, unless it was the further easing in of the idea that Dean will say yes to Michael. His consent is feeling a lot less like 'yes' and a lot more like 'why not'.

I didn't see Ash as Stepford happy, at all.

Of course, I fricking love Ash's heaven.

Of course, I fricking love Ash's heaven.

He was loads of fun, it's true. You're probably right about not being Stepford happy, but I would want his "spying on angels & wandering around screwing with heaven" version of heaven over "sitting in the roadhouse shotgunning beer" version.

Well, he was getting to hang with some pretty cool people while he did.

I wonder if he was really hanging with them, or hanging with their images. I guess really them, to drive home his mojo.

The JJ panel starts here.

Thank you for posting that Bev. Now I must smish them. Cutieheads.

I wonder if he was really hanging with them, or hanging with their images. I guess really them, to drive home his mojo.

I thought Ash had figured out how to go in and out of others' heavens and bring them into his. So everyone he was talking to was the real deal. That's why he was still looking for John and Mary rather than a memory of them.

Just a thought, but anyone else think heaven sucks?

Yes, big time. Life is as good as it gets. Heaven is a replay of your greatest hits (if you get bored can you kill yourself in Heaven?) and hell is full of torture. Damn depressing.

Just a thought, but anyone else think heaven sucks? Alone with the echoes of your memory? Yuck. And both Ash and Pamela seemed Stepford happy

If that's all it is, yeah. Ash and Pam's ability to cross from one personal Heaven to another makes me hope that eventually, once people get past the happy reminiscence/wish-fulfillment stage of it, they start meeting up, socializing, sharing enjoyable experiences with each other, etc. Sort of like in What Dreams May Come where Robin Williams initially wakes up in an idealized version of his own imaginary dream house and starts reuniting with loved ones once he's ready to.

No knock on Joshua (I think he was both excellently written and acted, and Yay Show for finally featuring a benevolent authority figure of color), but I really wish the confrontation with Zachariah could have been ended by Real!Mary kicking a door in and going all Ellen Ripley on his ass. (Maybe with Joshua showing up to remark that people are most like God when filled with selfless, protective love for their children, a connection that ought not be disregarded in Heaven.)

So everyone he was talking to was the real deal.

No offense to Ash, but he might not be in Einstein's idea of heaven. That's a bit presumptuous.

Personally, I'd like heaven to be better than life--Ash's looks like it was. Pamela's might be. But what Sam and Dean were stacked up for looked like TiVo of life, and how many segments would they really have to choose from? How happy is your happiest moment if you can still remember that bit where you tortured souls in hell/opened the final seal?

I mean, I guess you can't make more bad moments, but it's a dodgy way to spend eternity.

No offense to Ash, but he might not be in Einstein's idea of heaven. That's a bit presumptuous.

Whether through tracking them on the Angel scanner or other means, Ash wouldn't be in any people's heavens that he had never met but was able to "trespass" briefly. At least that is how I took his explanation. I'm guessing because he was able to go into Sam and Dean's heaven and bring them into his.

If that's all it is, yeah. Ash and Pam's ability to cross from one personal Heaven to another makes me hope that eventually, once people get past the happy reminiscence/wish-fulfillment stage of it, they start meeting up, socializing, sharing enjoyable experiences with each other, etc. Sort of like in What Dreams May Come where Robin Williams initially wakes up in an idealized version of his own imaginary dream house and starts reuniting with loved ones once he's ready to.

I like this idea much better. I wonder if you could have some type of border security to keep out people that made it to Heaven but you didn't like in life and who insist on showing up without calling first.