(Seriously dudes, point out to him that you're thanking him for saving your lives, and preventing other innocent people from dying needlessly. That's not a minor thing.)

Yeah, I wondered why they didn't say that too.

Given the demon-killing spell Ruby proposed in Jus in Bello, I suspect whatever she's trying to get Sam to do involves human sacrifice.

That is a strong possibility. That, or watching a marathon of The Simple Life.

I can't imagine that Sam is nearly that far gone to sign on for that. I mean, whatever it is I'm sure it's not pretty, but human sacrifice?

I agree human sacrifice is a strong possibility, or maybe (less subtly) Sam becoming immortal (and having to pay a price for it).

I doubt human sacrifice. They really haven't built up the background to show Sam going for that just to "muscle up". Still barely possible. But watching the Simple Life? No way Sam is that far gone.

I doubt human sacrifice because Ruby implied that it was something he'd done before and would need to continue to do to stay sharp.

I doubt human sacrifice because Ruby implied that it was something he'd done before and would need to continue to do to stay sharp.

She just wants him to smex her up again.

She just wants him to smex her up again.

That's what I said! Special push ups!

It's sad that I can't type an eyebrow wiggle.

Anyhow.

Sam's killed innocent people before though, like the host of that crossroads demon in Season 3. (Whose possession his summoning ritual was directly responsible for, I might add.) I can see Ruby offering up some murderer or child molester or whatnot as "the price of doing business" and getting Sam used to the killing before moving on to more innocent targets.

Sam's killed innocent people before though, like the host of that crossroads demon in Season 3.

Yeah, what I can't see him doing is routinely killing innocents without directly offing a demon as a result. Human sacrifice to directly kill demons or seeing the death of innocents as collateral damage? Yeah Sam has fallen that far. Killing people to gain strength for demon fighting, a more sophisticated type of vampirism? Nope can't see that. My only problem with the "Sex with Ruby" theory is that I can't see him continuing to be squicked by it.

I can see Ruby offering up some murderer or child molester or whatnot as "the price of doing business" and getting Sam used to the killing before moving on to more innocent targets.

I can totally see that happening down the line (and not very far down it, really) but I don't see it, at this stage and in this frame of mind. As with the sexing, Ruby's going to need to Pied Piper him down that road a bit. Sam tends to make the big decisions in times of crisis, and I just don't think he's there yet.