I can't think of a single ep ending, with the possible exception of The Message, that hit as hard as the Renegade.

It was a definite gutpunch. The hunt was a big fuckup, even though they did eventually get the shifter, it was at a high price.

The sense of things unravelling without a fix in sight...delicious.

I didn't realise it was Cafe Diem Vincent until his apparition reappeared, but it all snapped together then.

Never before or since has a Styx song been so apropos.

Never before or since has a Styx song been so apropos.

I had to go watch the scene again. Man

I had forgotten that Dean was going to sit down and die with Sam in Croatoan.

This was seared in my brain. Poor tired Dean. Poor brave Sam. Poor boys.

In the latest of the new episodes I am in the camp that thought Dean was just empty inside but not literally without a soul. Makes getting up each day all the more heroic.

Once again reading Buffistas always adds dimension to the episodes. I never considered that Dean was talking to God when he looked up and asked for help. I was afraid that he was talking to Michael and this was going to be taken as his assent. That had me saying, "no, no, please no" to the tv.

I was hoping that he was talking to John, just as he did at John's grave in the Djinn episode. A la the phone call in Home. I didn't think that JDM would answer him, but I thought that was who he was asking for help.

A sixth season. The news is too new for me really to know how to feel. Huh.

I guess the best I can manage for S6 and Sera is...cautiously hopeful?

IDK. Wait and see, I guess. It would be hard to turn my back on characters I've been invested in for so long. But if they become unrecognizable, that will be easier to do.

Austin, I was afraid Michael would take Dean's plea as assent, as well. I hoped he was admitting he was willing to believe in God, if God was willing to show up. But the Michael factor did scare me.

I was afraid that he was talking to Michael and this was going to be taken as his assent.

The safety there is the Enochian symbols, so hopefully Michael isn't listening at the right times. But who knows what he intended?

After watching the use of Renegade again, I don't know when I've seen any song used so well.

The reason that I didn't think Dean was talking to God was not knowing if he has ever admitted to the existence of God. He believed in demons before believing in angels. I figured he could believe in Lucifer without believing in God. Has he talked about thinking God would help them?

I keep thinking the first thing that Michael would/should do upon taking possession of Dean's body (and yeah, I'm twelve and went to what I would do with the possession of Dean's body) and I think he would have to kill Sam. That stops Lucifer from finding a permanent vessel, yes?

I have lots of faith in Sera. Actually more faith that the input from Sera, Ben, Jeremy, and others made me like the show despite Kripke. I'm not convinced that he made the show or the brother's dynamic that I love on purpose.

I like the interpretation that what Dean is hungry for is nothingness. Explains him not cruising for lonely women or eating that burger a little bit.

I was afraid that he was talking to Michael and this was going to be taken as his assent.

This never occurred to me. He said he needed help, he said please, but neither of those is "yes".

The idea that he was talking to his father made me a little misty there for a second.

I hadn't seen it put just that way -t, so thank you. Yes, I can certainly see that.

Dean hasn't actually mentioned God, as far as I can remember. He's certainly given every indication he didn't believe in God, heaven, angels, or anything else on the "good" side of mythos up until Castiel's appearance. What I thought, in his Gethsemane moment, was that he was in such extremis he was willing to consider the existence of God, and to turn to him for help, if God was actually there and listening. A last ditch sort of thing. And that may be entirely off-base, but it's what I got from the scene.

I thought he was talking to god & I didn't understand why D was sitting next to me shouting, "no no NO!" at the teevee until he told me he thought Dean was talking to Michael.