I guess the best I can manage for S6 and Sera is...cautiously hopeful?

IDK. Wait and see, I guess. It would be hard to turn my back on characters I've been invested in for so long. But if they become unrecognizable, that will be easier to do.

Austin, I was afraid Michael would take Dean's plea as assent, as well. I hoped he was admitting he was willing to believe in God, if God was willing to show up. But the Michael factor did scare me.

I was afraid that he was talking to Michael and this was going to be taken as his assent.

The safety there is the Enochian symbols, so hopefully Michael isn't listening at the right times. But who knows what he intended?

After watching the use of Renegade again, I don't know when I've seen any song used so well.

The reason that I didn't think Dean was talking to God was not knowing if he has ever admitted to the existence of God. He believed in demons before believing in angels. I figured he could believe in Lucifer without believing in God. Has he talked about thinking God would help them?

I keep thinking the first thing that Michael would/should do upon taking possession of Dean's body (and yeah, I'm twelve and went to what I would do with the possession of Dean's body) and I think he would have to kill Sam. That stops Lucifer from finding a permanent vessel, yes?

I have lots of faith in Sera. Actually more faith that the input from Sera, Ben, Jeremy, and others made me like the show despite Kripke. I'm not convinced that he made the show or the brother's dynamic that I love on purpose.

I like the interpretation that what Dean is hungry for is nothingness. Explains him not cruising for lonely women or eating that burger a little bit.

I was afraid that he was talking to Michael and this was going to be taken as his assent.

This never occurred to me. He said he needed help, he said please, but neither of those is "yes".

The idea that he was talking to his father made me a little misty there for a second.

I hadn't seen it put just that way -t, so thank you. Yes, I can certainly see that.

Dean hasn't actually mentioned God, as far as I can remember. He's certainly given every indication he didn't believe in God, heaven, angels, or anything else on the "good" side of mythos up until Castiel's appearance. What I thought, in his Gethsemane moment, was that he was in such extremis he was willing to consider the existence of God, and to turn to him for help, if God was actually there and listening. A last ditch sort of thing. And that may be entirely off-base, but it's what I got from the scene.

I thought he was talking to god & I didn't understand why D was sitting next to me shouting, "no no NO!" at the teevee until he told me he thought Dean was talking to Michael.

The idea that he was talking to his father made me a little misty there for a second.

It had me crying at the time. Great, now Ima have to watch it again.

I thought he was talking to god & I didn't understand why D was sitting next to me shouting, "no no NO!" at the teevee until he told me he thought Dean was talking to Michael.

eta: I do think it is funny that we have a whole subsection of the fandom that is in essence anti-shipping Michael/Dean. Hee.

cereal:

From the phone call in Home:

"I don’t know what to do. So, whatever you’re doin’, if you could get here. Please. I need your help, Dad."

From My Bloody Valentine:

"Please. I can't. I need some help. Please."

I think him saying "please" and admitting he couldn't do it alone was taking me back to the episode Home. I just don't know because John went off smiling in a white light so maybe he would look up when talking to him.

On the other hand as I watch the end of My Bloody Valentine, I think JA is selling that Dean is talking to God. There is a putting down of the bottle, a glance at the car, a shaking of his head as if he is shaking off the disbelief and then the plea. Honestly I think he was talking to God. In my heart though, he was talking to John.

I have every confidence Cate Blanchett will be able to win them over once she appears...