Dean taking so long to catch on was ridiculously frustrating to me. I yelled at the teevee a couple times.
I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad. It's... depressing.
Tara ,'Get It Done'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Laga - Jan 28, 2010 9:08:48 pm PST #4877 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Polter-Cow - Jan 28, 2010 9:14:56 pm PST #4878 of 30002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Yeah, he should have caught on a LOT sooner.
sumi - Jan 28, 2010 9:16:25 pm PST #4879 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!
He let Sam drive. . . and then "Sam" hurt Metallicar!
Morgana - Jan 28, 2010 10:52:08 pm PST #4880 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
See, I don't think so. Isn't the soul, the person what needs to give consent?...
Oh, they'd want the vessel, certainly. I'm just not sure someone else in it giving consent would work.
I get hung up on this issue when it comes to Sam's apparent inevitable damnation. Mary made a deal with Azazel and sold him Sam in return for John's life. But I thought conventional wisdom was that you couldn't sell someone else's soul, you could only make deals for your own. Because technically you don't own anyone else's. (Dean traded his own; that's different from him going to the crossroads and offering up, say, Bobby's soul.) In which case Sam wouldn't be predestined to have evil shadow him just from those few drops of blood. Because Sam himself never offered his soul.
Possibly I think too much.
Beverly - Jan 28, 2010 11:02:28 pm PST #4881 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
My measure of estrangement between the brothers? When Kam (Kid in Sam) was menaced by the ghost, Dean yelled, "Sam!" not Sammy. And yes, the individual tied up in Wyattfloppy-haired blond kid's basement was Skid (Sam in kid). I remember my Fuffy and Baith lessons well.
Marcia - Jan 29, 2010 2:04:06 am PST #4882 of 30002
Kneel before Glod. ~Stephen Colbert
But I thought conventional wisdom was that you couldn't sell someone else's soul, you could only make deals for your own.
All Mary knew about her bargain was that Azazel would be coming back for something in 10 years. For all she knew at the time, she probably thought Azazel would be coming for her.
Regardless, she didn't trade Sam's soul. Even after all this time, Sam's soul is still intact. Azazel just altered his physical make-up with Mary's deal. The damnation part is and always has been Sam's choice.
§ ita § - Jan 29, 2010 3:24:33 am PST #4883 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Dean clued into Sam being not Sam sooner than I'd worried. He definitely thought something was weird from the get go. He just didn't know what. It's kinda sad that "Sam" expressing his appreciation for the life and for Dean are what tipped it over. I have to shrug and pass it off to an episode being an hour long.
What I don't get is why Sam didn't exorcise the demon BEFORE it killed the blond kid
Why don't they exorcise more, period?
Amy - Jan 29, 2010 5:37:02 am PST #4884 of 30002
Because books.
They played it like anything in Sam's meat could say yes and it'd count. Veracity of that aside, it read like Garry could give Lucifer the meatsuit invitation.
You're right -- the demons should know if it would work or not. But it still feels sloppy to me, plotting-wise.
brenda m - Jan 29, 2010 5:39:39 am PST #4885 of 30002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
You're right -- the demons should know if it would work or not.
Why? The fact that consent is required at all puts it outsdide of the typical demon possession junk. And I don't get Lucifer as the over-sharing type.
Lee - Jan 29, 2010 5:41:15 am PST #4886 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
it definitely was sloppy, plot wise, especially because (in addition to thinking Aims is right about the consent issue), I just can't believe neither the angels or demons would have tried it before if that was all it took.
I liked the ep, but it was definitely a filler and needed a good sprinkling of handwavium dust.