Now that I see the quote that won I remember unfollowing tumblrs that were going on over and over about slashdotting that (and any other, to be fair) poll this summer.

But mostly I'm agog that any people like Bo and Lauren. I thought they were officially ick.

I do have to say, I roll my eyes at weird canon changes like this:

“I’ve been thinking, Dean. I have looked at a lot of family names and I think I found a name for our baby. If it’s a boy Henry Adam Winchester, Adam for short, after your grandfathers; if it’s a girl Clarissa Marie Winchester, Claire for short, after your mother.”

Approximately what has been gained by that?

Who's the mother in that scenario?

I still maintain that one of the most heartbreaking moments in this entire series was when demon!Bobby told Sam to lose his number. The look on Sam's face just breaks me every time.

Cas, but never mind.

They haven't actually written Adam or Clarissa into those stories.

Speaking of Adam, I''ve seen him be written a one note villain a weird amount recently. I'm not as defensive about him as John (what is John's asshole precipitating event if Mary is still alive? Why is she always perfect?) but it's up there with villainising Lisa almost. It's not weird for normal people to act in their own self-interest in a smaller-than-world scope. There are plenty of simpler names to use for someone who deliberately crashes into Lisa (who's a bitch, tho), or stalks Cas.

one of the most heartbreaking moments in this entire series was when demon!Bobby told Sam to lose his number. The look on Sam's face just breaks me every time.

And that little nod. Oh! my heart.

And you know the little boy in Sam had already burst into tears. It kills me.

But he took it back! That's just like it didn't happen, right? No lingering damage? NEVER MEANT IT.

JOHN WAS NOT AN ASSHOLE IN the djinn episode whose title I still don't get right (bad enough for an episode title, but what music needs a name like that???).

Sorry. I have a "demonising" thing chapping my ass right now. I swear it's easier to find a nice Meg than a nice Adam or Lisa. I'm thinking of making a sock puppet AO3 ID with an explanatory name to give kudos to people who don't trash sympathetic characters (but Gabriel is Sam's one true love, even though Jess is in this 'verse!). I wish there was a "cast aspersion" button or something.

How was John an asshole in WIAWSNB? He was dead, for christ's sake.

I avoid Lisa stories because so many authors make her a bitch (which she WASN'T). And I don't think I've read an Adam story at all. I should finish my Lisa POV story (in which she is awesome) and publish it EVERYWHERE.

How was John an asshole in WIAWSNB? He was dead, for christ's sake

My point is just that this is the only John & Mary lived "canon" we have, and the only douche was Dean, not John. Yet? John is the villain in way more than half of the fanfic where they're still both alive.

Why? Why is he an abusive alcoholic neglectful father in this scenario? Why does the passage of time and events never affect Mary negatively in any way?

Because ... Mary is the one female character everyone agreed to idolize?

Hey, they start shooting tomorrow.