Who's the mother in that scenario?
I still maintain that one of the most heartbreaking moments in this entire series was when demon!Bobby told Sam to lose his number. The look on Sam's face just breaks me every time.
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Amy - Jul 10, 2013 5:58:16 am PDT #28585 of 30002
Because books.
§ ita § - Jul 10, 2013 6:36:40 am PDT #28586 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Cas, but never mind.
They haven't actually written Adam or Clarissa into those stories.
Speaking of Adam, I''ve seen him be written a one note villain a weird amount recently. I'm not as defensive about him as John (what is John's asshole precipitating event if Mary is still alive? Why is she always perfect?) but it's up there with villainising Lisa almost. It's not weird for normal people to act in their own self-interest in a smaller-than-world scope. There are plenty of simpler names to use for someone who deliberately crashes into Lisa (who's a bitch, tho), or stalks Cas.
Beverly - Jul 10, 2013 9:28:53 am PDT #28587 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
one of the most heartbreaking moments in this entire series was when demon!Bobby told Sam to lose his number. The look on Sam's face just breaks me every time.
And that little nod. Oh! my heart.
Amy - Jul 10, 2013 9:33:51 am PDT #28588 of 30002
Because books.
And you know the little boy in Sam had already burst into tears. It kills me.
§ ita § - Jul 10, 2013 10:11:54 am PDT #28589 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But he took it back! That's just like it didn't happen, right? No lingering damage? NEVER MEANT IT.
JOHN WAS NOT AN ASSHOLE IN the djinn episode whose title I still don't get right (bad enough for an episode title, but what music needs a name like that???).
Sorry. I have a "demonising" thing chapping my ass right now. I swear it's easier to find a nice Meg than a nice Adam or Lisa. I'm thinking of making a sock puppet AO3 ID with an explanatory name to give kudos to people who don't trash sympathetic characters (but Gabriel is Sam's one true love, even though Jess is in this 'verse!). I wish there was a "cast aspersion" button or something.
Amy - Jul 10, 2013 10:19:50 am PDT #28590 of 30002
Because books.
How was John an asshole in WIAWSNB? He was dead, for christ's sake.
I avoid Lisa stories because so many authors make her a bitch (which she WASN'T). And I don't think I've read an Adam story at all. I should finish my Lisa POV story (in which she is awesome) and publish it EVERYWHERE.
§ ita § - Jul 10, 2013 10:27:07 am PDT #28591 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
How was John an asshole in WIAWSNB? He was dead, for christ's sake
My point is just that this is the only John & Mary lived "canon" we have, and the only douche was Dean, not John. Yet? John is the villain in way more than half of the fanfic where they're still both alive.
Why? Why is he an abusive alcoholic neglectful father in this scenario? Why does the passage of time and events never affect Mary negatively in any way?
Amy - Jul 10, 2013 5:24:42 pm PDT #28592 of 30002
Because books.
Because ... Mary is the one female character everyone agreed to idolize?
Hey, they start shooting tomorrow.
§ ita § - Jul 10, 2013 5:51:26 pm PDT #28593 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Ellen's fairly perfect too. I don't like when "agreements" are made without canon reason or diversity.
§ ita § - Jul 11, 2013 11:11:25 am PDT #28594 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I have found a story which is too clever for me by (at least) half: [link]
It's a Regency D/C and Charlie/Jo with arranged marriages to hide the homosexuality. But there's a lot of Shakespeare in it, and Gabriel goes off under the guise of one of his characters and I'm not sure what his problem is.
Anyone not on pain meds who's read that can help?
eta: unless it's just more of the same problem he's complaining of earlier?