There's a clip on Tumblr now, and I'm honestly too chicken to watch it. Some stuff is watch from the hall even for me, it turns out.

I was THERE and it was watch from the hall for me. I fled the panel halfway through, because apparently I have 4th wall issues when fans repeatedly ask an actor about fandom ships and fic. I mean, props to Misha for dealing with it in a hilarious manner, but I hit a point where I couldn't sit in the panel and listen to the crazy fans at the mic any longer.

Oh noes. I was worried you were there. Not that I feared for your safety or delicate sensibilities, just that the motts seemed to abound. I'd have fled quickly.

I wonder if that's exhausting and boring and they wouldn't rather be asked about, say, actual real work they have done or will do? I don't know why this is the season that people have decided it's going to happen, but even assuming it is--they're not going to speak about it beforehand. That's going to be carefully handled news.

Not that I'm thinking it will happen, let's be clear. Just that it's a conversation with nowhere to go in any event.

So I clicked through on that post where it's posited that D/C would be good for ratings. Among other things, it says that 18-34 women is the CW's target demographic, but I can't find a source for that. It wouldn't be the biggest surprise, but still, I'd like cites--anyone know where I could find them? I'm at the second part of the argument and she has lost me. Perhaps it's too early in the morning for all this?

Does this:

LGBT characters and plots were woven into some of the most popular broadcast primetime programs last season, and advertisers were investing their budgets there too. Motion pictures and department stores were the top categories that drove advertising on LGBT-inclusive programming, devoting 28.3 percent and 27.6 percent of their ad dollars, respectively.

Imply this:

Consumers are tuning into more LGBTQ-friendly television, and the advertisers are following after them. Supply needs to catch up to demand. Therefore more shows are going to feature LGBTQ characters, and that’s being reflected with the amount of regularly occurring gay characters reaching all-time highs.

I'm not seeing where people are tuning in because of queer content, where adding more queer content would increase ratings, where it's been proven that there isn't a gay ceiling that the next gay couple wouldn't hit and then ratings would dive....I'm just not seeing causation at all.

But then again, she also holds the following position (I'm not even calling it an opinion, because she doesn't):

the one show that has been building the subtext of its bi character since season 1 (and pretty much outed him in 8x13). I would look at that same-sex couple who has more than four seasons of subtextual buildup

So, yeah. One thing those posts are missing is evidence. The other thing is logic.

They do have some nice infographics, however. Taken from another source.

I was THERE and it was watch from the hall for me. I fled the panel halfway through, because apparently I have 4th wall issues when fans repeatedly ask an actor about fandom ships and fic. I mean, props to Misha for dealing with it in a hilarious manner, but I hit a point where I couldn't sit in the panel and listen to the crazy fans at the mic any longer.

Dear Lord, now I'm having flashbacks to the Nashville SPN con where people were getting up to the mics to ask cast members Harry Potter questions like what house their characters would be in.

I think I might have to avoid all news of all cons from now on. It's a clusterfuck of shamelessness. And sadness--good lord, the sadness. If this

this may be the realest, sweetest hug i have ever gotten in my entire life;;

Applies to a photo op, you need to look at your life, look at your choices. This should not be coming from a paid stranger. Who does not know your name.

Never mind some furore which seems to have been set off because Misha doesn't know what "lip service" means...just setting too much stock in the every word of fucking actors, man. I think the guy is charming and shit, but let's not make him the next pope or anything--he's NOT IMPORTANT. NONE OF THEM ARE. THIS SHOW IS NOT.

So, what you're saying is it is a VERY GOOD THING I wasn't there.

Also, how does he look in person?

So, what you're saying is it is a VERY GOOD THING I wasn't there.

Good G-d, yes. Between the questions of who is the better kisser between Jensen and Jared, the questions about Destiel and how it's obviously canon, and Misha saying things that egged them on, even my 4th wall issues were tripped.

Dear Lord, now I'm having flashbacks to the Nashville SPN con where people were getting up to the mics to ask cast members Harry Potter questions like what house their characters would be in.

It was heading in that direction, which is part of why I fled.

Also, how does he look in person?

I only saw him on the video screens, but he looked good. Well-rested and smiling.

I don't know why fandom doesn't know how to handle Misha yet. He is not our puppet, and he is not our co-conspirator. I mean, he doesn't have to be, and if we continue acting like crazy people, all he's doing (at best) is coming home and telling his wife more stories during his de-stressing backrub.

Extended promo: [link]

I don't even know what's happening. I definitely need to freeze a couple frames.

eta: but none of those people I froze on were anyone I recognised.

and he is not our co-conspirator.

From what I saw at the panel, fandom thinks he is, and he is playing along with it. He agreed with the fan who said that she thought the subtext in canon supported Destiel. He also talked about Jared groping him out of frame in various shots. So my theory is that he's playing fandom chicken with the people asking inappropriate questions, saying whatever outlandish thing pops into his head as a response. I just don't know if the questioners have realized he's playing chicken with fandom.