you don't actually get to collaborate

Yes, absolutely that. Also, the misapprehension that we are the customers in network television. We're not paying Carver's mortgage, and we're lucky to get as much as we do from them. But fanservice isn't automatic, and it's not their job. Delivering demographics to the advertisers is, and we're not even the demographics anyone likes.

we're not even the demographics anyone likes

Exactly. And I bet there's a future where all TV aimed at the 18-34 demographic is aired online.

I also love how wrong demographics can be. Did they really think young guys would be the primary market for a show about ... two young guys? Who are not in the military or on a police force, and definitely not sporting arm candy regularly?

It's also weird to hear (at work) how many 20somethings either don't have a TV or don't watch network TV on a regular basis.

I think young guys should all have man-crushes on Sam and Dean! I don't understand why they aren't all tatting themselves up and driving the market for Impalas through the roof.

Sis just watched Nightshifter, and it had all the right effects. She especially called out not just the use of music at the end, but the sound design in general where you get to hear them breathing heavily. And she's expecting to see Victor again (Show likes its black men convinced and wrong, she says) as well, because he got too much characterisation for a once off.

She gives the episode points for succeeding without using any of the emo angles--showing that it can also be effective as a suspense/action story.

I'd forgotten how much I liked this, and for how many reasons. It's nice being reminded.

She's also looking at the entire series through a prism of Dean coming to terms with being queer, which is interesting to start out with. And it is a lens you can apply with decent success.

Are you suggesting fic? Because that could be nerve-wracking. For me, anyway.

But I'm not going to go online and tweet to the writers and producers that they should do X, Y, or Z with the story.

I think I did this once - where I went on a board that a show runner/creator visited (I know the person visited) because I got angry with the show and was completely fed up. My complaints had to be aired and my anger tripled because of a podcast the showrunner did where I felt the showrunner was pissing on fans.

In general, I think it is a bad practice and I posted my shit and left (because I didn't want to engage in a back and forth), but I had to let the showrunner know at that time that a show I once loved was ruined because of the showrunner's bad ideas.

Seeing as how the show is still going strong on tv and I've stopped watching it, clearly my irritated post didn't do shit.

I never suggest fic.

More like beg...

But she is reminding me of the window where I was so greedily reading Dean/OMC, where there were different convictions about Dean's sexuality--sometimes I thought he'd been okay with his bisexuality since puberty, sometimes he was realising he was bi with that given sexual encounter...but never really looked at everything, including his hookups with women, as a long path to anything other than glorious angelic sex.

No, I meant suggesting fic for her to read.

Why did that not occur to me?

I'll blame it on the headache and irritation and invisible nurse.

Right now I'm so blown away by her interest in the show and joking appreciation for every opportunity to make a Dean/Castiel joke that I don't even know if I want to rock the boat with fic, especially since our tastes are quite different. I'm suspecting my penchant for NC-17 high school AUs would not be what she's looking for, but maybe some of the Dean/OMC I was reading back before I found the male character I most preferred naked with him might be of interest.

She does tend to be at least aware of the fanworks and fandom activity for her other stuff, but that's, apart from our intersection in Inception, in arenas I don't know--still Brokeback Mountain, and a lot of soap operas--often South American and European, although she's currently following WilSon in Days right now.

She's thinking that they got away too lightly from the FBI, so I'm biting my tongue. God, she's really not going to like what's coming up, but I forget that she's got to get through a lot first, LIKE SAM'S DEATH and Dean's deal--and she currently doesn't think Dean could make a deal, based on Crossroads Blues, but that wasn't to save Sam's life, "just" to get John off the rack. But she did bring it up specifically, so more tongue biting and hands on-sitting.

Something in Boxed Set made me look up Mr. Fizzles in SPNwiki, and he's played entirely straight: [link] I'm assuming that's because he was in the credits too, but that's really funny to me.

There's a hash tag on Twitter right now called #FictionalDeathsIWillNeverGetOver, and I want to skim it to see if SPN shows up.

I did just see someone tweeting that Misha apparently said, "Jensen is more of a tender, nimbler kisser while Jared just goes for the tonsils," at ECCC.

Oh god, here's another one:

Fan: Feel free to slip more Destiel in. Misha: Maybe just the tip. #ECCC

Thank you, Misha, for doing what thousands of fan-written words weren't actually making me do--visualise your penis.

YOU WIN, OKAY???