Yeah, that's definitely a discussion I don't actually want to have--if a person doesn't like the show it's not my job to talk them back into it, or help them have the epiphany that they just ruled out most of the past 7.5 seasons with their rule. They can walk their path on their own.

In further news of delusional fans, I saw an entry on my dash I couldn't even understand until I clicked through to the underlying yourtube video: [link] Are people really looking that hard for other things that they managed to get Castiel into that scene where he's really kinda not? And their magical black feather that they're clinging to--there's a black something on the bed between them before they start talking, not just after the insert of Castiel's voice (fake insert, let's be clear--I don't believe it for a second).

And, if Jim Michaels did deny that it was Castiel's voice--why are people hanging onto the "fact" that there's a feather in the scene? Or are there supposed to be random black feathers in the episodes now? I think I heard that the feather would be explained but that doesn't make that not reaching.

I thought the thing on the bed was part of the pattern in the fabric.

Cas's voice is so ridiculously inserted there.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured was all over the bed. If I ever find myself grasping so hard to anything in any show ever that I'm denying reality--please slap me in any way possible, will you? I mean, John's fatherhood can be subjective--Dean's drinking maybe. But that's just making shit up for the sake of getting excited.

The amount of credit they're willing to give the writers is adorable, though. I'm not sure if this is a sign of how amazing Carver is, or I just wasn't looking in the right places last season.

I don' t understand this at all. Why are SPN fans so very Crxy?

Why are SPN fans so very Crxy?

I think you can leave out "SPN" in that sentence.

I hate the way the fans are trying to make Cas/Dean canon. But I always hate fans who are pushing for any particular storyline. You can do what you want with it after it's aired, but you don't actually get to collaborate.

Any storyteller (or group thereof) has the right to tell the story they want to. You don't like it, don't watch it, or read it, or whatever. The sense of entitlement is really appalling.

I will admit that I have one program (Lost Girl) where bitching about flaws is part of the guilty pleasure of watching it. But I have never tried to pressure the writers to fix the flaws I complain about.

Yes, you can leave that out. SPN is why I hear about it, and SPN is why I haven't run screaming, but I only managed weeks of listening in on pretty freaking delusional Teen Wolf fans--as much as I enjoy that show, I'm not invested, and there's no payoff that makes it worth the craxxy.

Anybody can complain all they want to their friends. I watched Body of Proof with my mom last night, and my eyes rolled out of my head at how NOT like Philadelphia it looks, how ridiculous it is that the ME is working in high heels and perfectly coiffed hair, and how her daughter conveniently has the one illness everybody gives a kid in jeopardy.

But I'm not going to go online and tweet to the writers and producers that they should do X, Y, or Z with the story.

you don't actually get to collaborate

Yes, absolutely that. Also, the misapprehension that we are the customers in network television. We're not paying Carver's mortgage, and we're lucky to get as much as we do from them. But fanservice isn't automatic, and it's not their job. Delivering demographics to the advertisers is, and we're not even the demographics anyone likes.