Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured was all over the bed. If I ever find myself grasping so hard to anything in any show ever that I'm denying reality--please slap me in any way possible, will you? I mean, John's fatherhood can be subjective--Dean's drinking maybe. But that's just making shit up for the sake of getting excited.

The amount of credit they're willing to give the writers is adorable, though. I'm not sure if this is a sign of how amazing Carver is, or I just wasn't looking in the right places last season.

I don' t understand this at all. Why are SPN fans so very Crxy?

Why are SPN fans so very Crxy?

I think you can leave out "SPN" in that sentence.

I hate the way the fans are trying to make Cas/Dean canon. But I always hate fans who are pushing for any particular storyline. You can do what you want with it after it's aired, but you don't actually get to collaborate.

Any storyteller (or group thereof) has the right to tell the story they want to. You don't like it, don't watch it, or read it, or whatever. The sense of entitlement is really appalling.

I will admit that I have one program (Lost Girl) where bitching about flaws is part of the guilty pleasure of watching it. But I have never tried to pressure the writers to fix the flaws I complain about.

Yes, you can leave that out. SPN is why I hear about it, and SPN is why I haven't run screaming, but I only managed weeks of listening in on pretty freaking delusional Teen Wolf fans--as much as I enjoy that show, I'm not invested, and there's no payoff that makes it worth the craxxy.

Anybody can complain all they want to their friends. I watched Body of Proof with my mom last night, and my eyes rolled out of my head at how NOT like Philadelphia it looks, how ridiculous it is that the ME is working in high heels and perfectly coiffed hair, and how her daughter conveniently has the one illness everybody gives a kid in jeopardy.

But I'm not going to go online and tweet to the writers and producers that they should do X, Y, or Z with the story.

you don't actually get to collaborate

Yes, absolutely that. Also, the misapprehension that we are the customers in network television. We're not paying Carver's mortgage, and we're lucky to get as much as we do from them. But fanservice isn't automatic, and it's not their job. Delivering demographics to the advertisers is, and we're not even the demographics anyone likes.

we're not even the demographics anyone likes

Exactly. And I bet there's a future where all TV aimed at the 18-34 demographic is aired online.

I also love how wrong demographics can be. Did they really think young guys would be the primary market for a show about ... two young guys? Who are not in the military or on a police force, and definitely not sporting arm candy regularly?

It's also weird to hear (at work) how many 20somethings either don't have a TV or don't watch network TV on a regular basis.

I think young guys should all have man-crushes on Sam and Dean! I don't understand why they aren't all tatting themselves up and driving the market for Impalas through the roof.

Sis just watched Nightshifter, and it had all the right effects. She especially called out not just the use of music at the end, but the sound design in general where you get to hear them breathing heavily. And she's expecting to see Victor again (Show likes its black men convinced and wrong, she says) as well, because he got too much characterisation for a once off.

She gives the episode points for succeeding without using any of the emo angles--showing that it can also be effective as a suspense/action story.

I'd forgotten how much I liked this, and for how many reasons. It's nice being reminded.

She's also looking at the entire series through a prism of Dean coming to terms with being queer, which is interesting to start out with. And it is a lens you can apply with decent success.