I kissed him, and I told him that I loved him. And I killed him.

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Feb 07, 2013 6:19:56 am PST #27554 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So, of course the gay thing. While people (the Feathers For Castiel people in this isntance)crow about the complete appropriate nature of telling the writers and directors how they want the story to go, there were these tweets:

So Sad what your doing to DW character. The woman loving BA hunter is reduced to this now?
and
813 had such huge potential not sure what your doing to DW but it sucks. Your mucking around with his sexuality now. SAD!
from the same idiot.

I think it's amazing how the perfectly normal appalled response to this gets pulled through this filter, though:

Guys, seriously - whether you ship or don’t ship and whether you stan for bi Dean or you don’t, this is legit disgusting and let’s all please just show support for the direction the things are going, because it’s could be hella important and it means a lot, at least to me personally. Yeah? : )

It's not quite on the level of "English people can get gay married now??/ Yay John/Sherlock!!!!" fans who seemed pretty unclear on where the bill was in the process, and maybe also that there are real people for whom this will actually make a difference to their lives.

This was a pretty lampshadey episode. Where's the power come from? The water? Where are the recurring characters who will not appear this episode and how do we feel about that? etc. To which: props for running down the checklist.

I wonder if the "I survived the Holocaust and here is my continuing fight against the shadowy Nazi evil" plotline will be retired anytime ever, or what it will mutate into when it's officially too late for there to be any survivors in the current timeline.


§ ita § - Feb 07, 2013 6:56:21 am PST #27555 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So the key's Mordor *and* the treasures it unlocks are in the same place? I'm a bit confused. Disappointed by a literal key, but accepting that and moving on--what were the instructions/directions that Larry gave Sam? To go to those coordinates, fine--but what is the action that renders the key inaccessible from everyone forever?

And unless I misunderstood part of the motivations last week, shouldn't those two locations be on opposite poles?


Typo Boy - Feb 07, 2013 12:35:14 pm PST #27556 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I also really enjoyed this SPN. My only thought is peripheral. When I realized this was going to be Golem themed, my mind jumped to "A Golem, a clay man - like Gumby. Hey - Gumby was a Golem. A wee badly sculpted Golem. That explains a lot." Which says absolutely nothing about the episode but ....

I've now got a yen for xover SPN/Gumby crack fic where Gumby is a Golem...


sumi - Feb 07, 2013 12:47:53 pm PST #27557 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

Is Poky a golem too?


§ ita § - Feb 07, 2013 1:10:06 pm PST #27558 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So I'm reading one of the Bisexual!Dean position papers I mentioned yesterday, and I think her method of reaching the point is overtalky and kind of not actually established. But then I came to this line:

And what else does Dean crave but emotional connections? Remember, it’s certainly not sex Dean was craving while under the influence of Famine.

Did I miss a fandom meeting? We've agreed Dean was having cravings? Emo cravings?

She really needed to use Nick the siren right there. Totally would have fit the argument of the paragraph. But he doesn't seem to even come up. Disappointing fanwanking, seriously. Just because the writers are tossing us crumbs doesn't mean you don't still have to work for it! Sheesh.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 07, 2013 2:08:27 pm PST #27559 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I don't recall Dean craving anything under Famine's influence. Didn't the show make a point of that, in fact?


Typo Boy - Feb 07, 2013 2:18:51 pm PST #27560 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Is Poky a golem too?

Absolutely. Crack fic.


§ ita § - Feb 07, 2013 2:48:54 pm PST #27561 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Didn't the show make a point of that, in fact?

It was slightly his arc in the episode, so I really really have no idea how this is substantiating her point when you could slip the siren into the facts and they make more sense than the scene she chose.


Juliebird - Feb 07, 2013 2:56:27 pm PST #27562 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Now, I'd love to see canon stating that Dean is bi, but I did not get that out of this ep. I saw him being uncomfortable to being cruised by a dude (and while the stumbling after said cruising could point to him being lustfully flustered, the purportedly lustful party did not inspire Dr. Sexy levels of desireableness), which leads me to think Dean's stumbling was due to sheer awkwardness.

Then him declaring to Sam about his "gay thing" expressed merely an acceptance of gayness existing, and him being okay with that in a broad sense.

So, no Dean bi-sexual evidence for me, although I'm much happier about his reaction here than in the past (e.g. to the club S&M dude in Cris Angel is a Douchebag, and to the vamp before he got turned, and even then it wasn't homophobia, but situational awkwardness and trying to put off a generally creepy dude).

But, yes, want to see Dean as someone's kept boy.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 07, 2013 5:12:16 pm PST #27563 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

For the record, I wouldn't have been too keen on having the Chief or skeezy vampire Judah Friedlander-alike hit on me either, and I'm pretty sure homophobia isn't at the root of that reaction.