So, if I put on your top hat, I will become possessed by your fabulous?

Like Frosty the Snowman, but pinkly goth!

at this point I don't trust the writers not to pull character retcons out of their ass.

What would make you think that at this very early point they would be changing what their goal originally was with Amelia and Benny (and Cas)? And why would you think it's a retcon or an asspull--there's absolutely no way we'd ever know, because we've had one episode where Benny said he wouldn't. They haven't established enough with any of the three of them that we'd ever know without inside information that pretty muh anything would be a retcon.

I know it's the thing to do to think that showrunners are just being convenient and reactive, but what is giving you the impression that "at this point" Carver would do anything at all? Has he displayed major showrunning/plotting asspulls in the past? How has he established a pattern for anything 6 episodes in? And even if it had still been in Gamble's hands, what would she have done in two seasons and 6 episodes to earn the distrust.?

What they have done with the boys since the beginnng of the season. It is not just a matter of not liking it. It does not make sense to me.

But what does that have to do with retconning in general, and retconning Benny in particular?

It has to do with lack of trust.

Lack of trust based on things you know of Carver from before this season? I guess I just don't know enough about either Carver or the season to tell the difference between "Benny was always going to fall off the wagon" and "they changed their minds about Benny drinking blood". And I don't know how we'd ever know the difference. How could that ever fit the definition of an asspull or a retcon? It's pure and simple something that hasn't happened yet. An asspull/retcon would be "he's been killing humans all this time" and even so, given his limited screentime, I'd still not be able to tell the difference--how are you able to differentiate?

Also we seem to be firmly in the "But what really happened over the hellatus? What's motivating the boys to act like this?" territory, in which the show has put us more than once before (soul-loss, hell-torturing, blood-drinking, Crowley-bonding), and I still don't know if there's more to the story or if this is all the explanation we get.

Unrelatedly, I think Show should GIVE THE FUCK UP and spell Cas right. Sheeit. The majority has spoken, and...hmm. Let me try it and see how it works.

I was staring at my TV wondering what a cass was, I thought we were just watching a promo for Supernatural.

I don't feel like explaining more than I have. If I have not been clear, I'm sorry for not having been clear.

I apologise--I missed the part about retcons. Not trusting them to right the boys correctly, and thinking there are retcons in the future of characters who don't even have continuity yet are pretty distinct to me.

I'm not sure why I'm all Carver-defensive, really. I was sad when he left for Being Human. I like his Supernatural work. But I don't feel I know shit about him as a showrunner or a plotter of half a season, much less a season.

But the reason it got my antennae up is that I see retcon used a lot to describe "plot turns that are wrong/I don't like" and I am grasping at decimated-style straws for definition of the term. If there is no continuity, there isn't a retroactive violation/contortion of same. And how can we possibly know what's an asspull 6 episodes in, when we barely have any information? I'm fairly certain this much has been plotted out without major input from fan reaction, so there's no reason to pull anything out of various orifices. It's just the story.