Oh, yeah, baby, it's snakalicious in here.

Xander ,'Empty Places'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Anne W. - Sep 21, 2012 1:22:40 am PDT #26343 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Cas as a dragon could be all kinds of fun. In fact, replacing angels with dragons entirely and pulling from Chinese mythology on the subject... (plotty part of brain starts spinning).

Another J2 AU (gen) dragon story that is nothing but sheer fun is Dignity of Dragons. I'm a bit biased because I did the art for it - I picked it up as a pinch hit out of sheer pity as the original artist bailed less than a month before posting (even if it was for good reason, that would suck) and ended up falling tail over teakettle for the story.

(Edit: I should not try to code html before the coffee has had a chance to kick in)


sumi - Sep 21, 2012 4:40:46 am PDT #26344 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

Sneak Peek.

OMG.


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2012 4:52:11 am PDT #26345 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I haven't come across a single sort of RPF longer than 2 or 300 words that I can get through. AUs are empty for me, non AUs are too full.

But I will go look at your art when I have a moment, Anne.

Ack! Sneak peek brain asplode!

Also, is Dean wearing Sam's plaid?


Beverly - Sep 21, 2012 12:02:10 pm PDT #26346 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Anne, I loved that fic--Loved! And loved your art for it, too.

Dean wears plaid whenever he comes back from beyond this life. At least he did when he came back from hell. Sam's then, I think.


libkitty - Sep 21, 2012 9:33:48 pm PDT #26347 of 30002
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Jumping in to say that I just started s4 - yeah, the whole slow thing was just unpossible. I realize that everyone else is ahead of me, but I just had to jump in and say that it's really frustrating to see how down everyone is on Sam now, including Sam. I don't really like the demon blood as drug thing; I think they're handling it better than with Willow in BtVS, but I still find it frustrating.

However, aside from the addiction issue, I guess I just think that intentions do make a difference. Dean had bad intentions when he tortured people in hell, yet Sam was understanding and caring about it. Sam had good intentions in killing Lilith, and yet Sam is not shown the same understanding. This is even more frustrating because if any of the angels had told the truth, instead of just sending Dean to stop Sam because demon blood=bad, the whole problem could have been avoided. I mean, given the bizarreness of their reality, how the angels seem to be bigger asses than many of the demons, it doesn't seem like a huge stretch to believe that Ruby might have good intentions and that the demon blood might be a necessary evil. Clearly, it didn't work out that way, but it just as well could have.

Anyhoo, I'm sorry to break in on the conversation, but none of my local friends are in this fandom, and I just had to share with someone before I burst.


Morgana - Sep 21, 2012 9:51:43 pm PDT #26348 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I have to warn you... be prepared to live with frustration. ("Sam had good intentions in killing Lilith, and yet Sam is not shown the same understanding.") I understand it may be a YMMV type of thing, but from my perspective, Sam was never give the chance to really explain why things fell out for him as they did. The fandom that was sympathetic to him had to jump through hoops to come up with explanations. And the fandom that was not sympathetic, well they were ready to burn him at the stake.


§ ita § - Sep 22, 2012 5:43:33 am PDT #26349 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wasn't reading much meta at the time. The only form of meta now that I'm exposed to is S4 fic. I have a knee jer inability to relax and enjoy sympathetic Ruby fic, because I do believe that although demons can be pragmatic, their long term plans are never for *your* good. They might be not for your bad, but if they're telling you it's for your good we have no history to support that, and even the angels being massive dicks doesn't change that.

Basically--I never bought her. But Sam? Sam was a bit high on himself and what he thought he could do, but that seemed perfectly natural considering he'd had a demon in his ear for months, he'd been mourning his brother, he comes back so different, and he's ingesting this foreign substance whose full effect is never fully explained.

But he started out to resurrect then avenge Dean (Winchester 101) and he continued to save Dean from having to do something difficult he didn't look like he could pull off (grad school Winchester if I've ever seen it). So any fic set in S4 which ignores his core motivation is less palatable to me than a sympathetic reading of Ruby, but either of them are *really* unlikely to be read to the end.

Now, the thoughts in Dean's head during S4 about himself and Sam--that's...that can be hard to read. Because I believe in the back half, it was an ugly place I don't enjoy reading about. But it feels to me like canon--unlike the points above I've said I will flee from. This is just canon I don't enjoy.


Amy - Sep 22, 2012 5:05:28 pm PDT #26350 of 30002
Because books.

Anyhoo, I'm sorry to break in on the conversation, but none of my local friends are in this fandom, and I just had to share with someone before I burst.

Share here anytime, for real. We need more of Us!

This is just canon I don't enjoy.

For me, S5 is worse. Dean's angry and suspicious in S4, and it turns out he was right to be, even though Sam was never *choosing* Ruby over him (and I completely believe that Sam's intentions were good, and he really thought he was doing the right thing). And Sam wasn't being honest with Dean for most of that season, so sometimes I wonder if on some level he didn't *quite* trust that he was making the right choice. But in the beginning of S5, when Dean doesn't even know if he can forgive Sam, and then the separation ... I know it didn't last long, but it hurt (me) so bad.

I watched Mystery Spot the other night, and what struck me was how brotherly the whole episode was. Dean and his annoying habits and teasing, Sam working hard to convince Dean that, little brother or not, he knew the deal this time and Dean had to trust him, Dean doing the *soothing Sam* bit in the diner ... There's so much about their relationship right there just in the top half.


§ ita § - Sep 22, 2012 5:38:00 pm PDT #26351 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hair spoiler. Now that Eliot has lost his, Sam's is extra important to me, and this could be really good follicular replacement.


Juliebird - Sep 22, 2012 5:55:09 pm PDT #26352 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Man, Elliot's hair loss has had me wishing Sam could do the same. Jared's hair never got the level of ridiculous that CK's did (I still think the braids -and possibly beads- beat out the dimple-infringing sideburns). I wonder, for purely academic reasons, what a season 1-type hairstyle would look on a 2012!Jared. Or even something middling.

Also, that sneak peak has me conflicted and angsty. My first reaction was "MEAN!". And I think that reaction is both from a meta pov and a narrative pov, but not a proper reaction for an unfolding story.