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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - May 29, 2012 12:24:41 pm PDT #25360 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm watching a minor drama unfurl on my dash (the thing I can handle about tumblr right now and not LJ, is that I don't know most of the people, so the sturm und drang is also point und larf).

Apparently Jensen is a homophobe, see? Because he's a Christian Republican who used the term unmanly. One time. My favourite comment so far is:

Good God, if he’s a homophobe he also must be remarkably dim, because I don’t even watch SPN and I know it’s gayer than Will and Grace.

Not least of all because whoever this is had to dip into the drama even though she knows jackshit about what's going on. Not that I disagree with her or anything--it just seems her point is as valid as any espoused by a fan because WHO THE FUCK KNOWS????


Amy - May 29, 2012 12:29:00 pm PDT #25361 of 30002
Because books.

You're a homophobe if you say unmanly? Seriously? As far as I can tell a lot of gay men are ... still men.

I saw that he also cancelled his appearance at the Paris con (he had Danneel send a tweet!), so I expected the drama to be about that.


Beverly - May 29, 2012 1:12:53 pm PDT #25362 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I'm so pleased Jensen acted quickly to put the word out, before the organizers had a chance to spin anything. I just found out the same outfit *never paid Jared* for his 2010 appearance. And from the wordage, I suspect the con organizers were lax and careless about security for the guests. I know Jensen can be a little paranoid about security, but he has reason. It only takes one more fan a little more unbalanced than the one who leapt *on* him as he passed a staircase *in the middle of his security people* at AsylumUK 1 to make him an ex-Jensen. Or a damaged Jensen. I like my Jensen safely in one piece. The whole thing stinks, and I'm glad they're both avoiding it.

As for being a homophobe Republican, that's his business. He has spoken rarely to not at all of his religious affiliation in the last five years, so I have no idea if he retains his childhood beliefs. But his compassion and generosity to his friends and his fans is evident. He does fan service by being physically affectionate with his co-workers, and using sly innuendo at cons. To me, as long as he doesn't attempt to promote his political or religious positions, I don't care if he sacrifices goats in his back yard. (Nah, man. That's Crue.)


Amy - May 29, 2012 1:17:29 pm PDT #25363 of 30002
Because books.

I'm not sure how you work successfully in the industry as a homophobe, but I also think calling someone "unmanly" is not proof that you are one.


§ ita § - May 29, 2012 1:26:22 pm PDT #25364 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But Amy, you're neglecting to factor in the SOLEMN TRUTH that Christian Republicans are likely homophobes. How can you be so sloppy? And why doesn't my browser spell check think homophobe exists? Ah, idyllic world in which you live, Opera.


Amy - May 29, 2012 1:34:03 pm PDT #25365 of 30002
Because books.

I'm (nominally) Christian, and I'm ... more conservative than a lot of people here, but not necessarily a Republican. And I'm not a homophobe! I'll show 'em!

I hate that assumption, although it's certainly not always wrong.


§ ita § - May 29, 2012 1:59:23 pm PDT #25366 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think that the statistics support making an assumption. The worse the assumption is, the more evidence you have to bring forth.


Amy - May 29, 2012 2:09:29 pm PDT #25367 of 30002
Because books.

I just followed a link on io9 to a hotel in Boston that's a renovation of the old Charles Street Prison, and was sitting here thinking how they'd never done a prison episode until it hit me ... Folsom Prison Blues, duh. Someone come take my temperature.


P.M. Marc - May 29, 2012 2:12:54 pm PDT #25368 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I hate that assumption, although it's certainly not always wrong.

It's increasingly correct, but that's more due to the increasing radicalization of the GOP pushing out people who disagree, reducing the former big tent party to an individual camping size tent of one.

Certainly, it depends on a number of factors, including geographic area. The vote on marriage rights in Washington State included support from Christian Republicans, for example. (I may possibly have sent pleading letters to one of them. Maybe.)

And in general, not in specifics, Republican-associated Christians from Texas tend to hold beliefs that I find to be repugnant, which is why I ain't bovvered by the fact that Paul's aunt disowned his (Christian) father and uncle for not being Christian enough, where Christian = Specifically Narrow Definition Held By Some Texas Baptist Churches.

But in terms of one person, living outside the sphere of Texas and not speaking publically about religion or politics, unmanly = homophobe = kind of a big stretch.


Amy - May 29, 2012 2:21:58 pm PDT #25369 of 30002
Because books.

What bothers me most is the Christian part of the assumption. I know plenty of Christians who support gay rights.

The Republican party is just ... gross now. But I have no idea how you change it. It's a giant, lumbering, bullying monster.