As much as I dislike it, the only explanation that seems to make sense is an unhealthy fixation upon Mary to the exclusion of all else, including the welfare of his own wife and their extended family. Which, if that was the case, might also explain how an apparently upstanding family man who spent his whole life saving victims from evil supernatural creatures ends up going Downstairs in the first place.
Damn you, Bridget! Damn you to Hades! You broke my heart in a million pieces! You made me love you, and then you-- I SHAVED MY BEARD FOR YOU, DEVIL WOMAN!
Monty ,'Trash'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Matt the Bruins fan - May 15, 2012 12:00:43 pm PDT #25071 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
§ ita § - May 15, 2012 12:15:47 pm PDT #25072 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Oh, that's the other big unanswered question: WHERE WAS HE? It doesn't make sense for Crowley to have dominion of him unless he went to hell, but the Samuel we saw didn't seem to be clearly headed down that path. Where was Mary? Hell too? Was that why Crowley could raise her?
(I'm assuming for now Crowley plays by the rules, but he also gets to make many of the rules and is under no compulsion to point out the fine print--then again, Bobby's soul doesn't clearly support that.)
And if it does take being sent to Hell for a demon to raise you, what does that mean about Sam the first time he died?
eta: and by "big" I guess I meant "many small"
Typo Boy - May 15, 2012 2:25:34 pm PDT #25073 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Hmmm. All Winchester go to Hell? (Unless, given a special one-time only pardon.)
§ ita § - May 15, 2012 2:44:23 pm PDT #25074 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Doesn't explain why Pops Campbell ended up there though.
Hey, maybe Bobby is delaying crossing over because he really doesn't want to see John again. He's all "Shit, I don't want to tell him what his kids..the soul...the torture...gay interspecies sex..."
Yeah, that makes sense.
Typo Boy - May 15, 2012 4:18:26 pm PDT #25075 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
It was forseen that someday he would have Winchesters as descendents. That makes him retroactively a Winchester.
§ ita § - May 15, 2012 4:34:38 pm PDT #25076 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the line of Campbells from the Mayflower to now would be a little miffed at that reduction.
Typo Boy - May 15, 2012 6:36:52 pm PDT #25077 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Yup. Since it would mean that all Campbells go to hell as well. And no, not a serious theory.
§ ita § - May 16, 2012 4:45:37 am PDT #25078 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Misha-led sneak peek: [link]
§ ita § - May 16, 2012 1:15:52 pm PDT #25079 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Another question--did Mary go to heaven? I just read a bit of a fic that assumed an exception had been made for her, and she'd gone.
To me, since she didn't actually sell her soul, she didn't guarantee a downward trip. But this author seems to think that making a deal with a crossroade demon is all you have to do, no matter what you planned to give up to them,
Thoughts?
Matt the Bruins fan - May 16, 2012 2:27:39 pm PDT #25080 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
While I don't think the deal was a morally pure choice, Mary generally did everything for the people she loved, and gave up her life (or pseudo-life) twice fighting to protect her kids. I'm going to assume she went Upstairs upon cancelling out that poltergeist unless the show proves otherwise. She definitely did't get dragged downward just by virtue of having made a deal, she was still haunting the house she died in decades after the fact.
John's fate is more ambiguous since he went to Hell per an agreed-upon deal, but the Season 2 finale seemed to indicate there was hope for him as well.