I thought then something in Sam's demon blood was preventing her from killing him, but *now* I think she might have gotten some kind of demonic IM from Lucifer, along the lines of, "Hold up there, hell bitch, I need him, so back. off."

We've seen the big white flash of overexposed grainy film on two other occasions - when Lilith wiped out the police station in "Jus in Bello" and in the process of Lucifer's release at the end of the latest episode. So it could go either way, that scene with Sam could have been just for show, giving him a reason to develop his demony powers (likely granted by her in the first place) or it could have been Lucifer intervening. But given how difficult it was to even open communication with him in the flashback to St. Mary's, my money would be on the former.

My thought (having successfully watched the ep piecemeal via Youtube, yay) is that Lilith knew all along that she was a sacrifice, and that she hasn't genuinely been trying to kill Sam or Dean - she's been trying to build up enough of a sense of hatred in Sam to goad him into making "Kill Lilith" his number one priority, over and above everything else. But my interpretation may be contradicted by canonical details that escape me just now?

Further thoughts on the finale - oh, Show. I wish that the nurse had been a guy. I mean, I'm delighted that Cindy got a shout-out, and I do understand the Horror movie shorthand of 'killing women is OMG even more awful than killing men! Look! Look how horrifying this is! Vulnerable woman in jeopardy!' ...but, fuck, enough already. It would still have been horrifying if the nurse were a guy, and it would have evened up the gender balance a little, and squicked me less.

sighs

Oh, but I did love an awful lot of things about the episode. I loved the awful, tacky 'swanky' suite they stuck Dean in, with cheeseburgers and beers and suchlike, and Zac's offer of sluts and virgins and Ginger from Gilligan's Island. Such an offensively poor grasp of Dean's psyche, to think he can be distracted from worrying about Sam by cheeseburgers on a gilded platter.

I liked that little moment where Dean pushed the pristine little angel and made it fall and shatter, just before he, er, pushed the dishevelled and hang-dog little angel and made him fall and shatter.

I'm unspeakably glad that the boys were reconciled in the finale, rather than going for a duel-to-the-death type thing.

eta

Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find Dean being possessed by Michael in the next season, and Sam by Lucifer. I'd really rather like to see Ackles playing somebody else, (JP's done it already, and it was great fun, but I'd happily watch him do it again with someone else) so that's a rather fabulous idea - on the other hand, for the narrative, I don't really want Sam or Dean to lose their autonomy and just be meat suits.

Amusing interview with Misha Collins.

Buffistas, it's become entirely all too clear to me that we need to engage Misha Collins in a group marriage. I don't need to be first or last, but I need to be in on it.

So God's sitting in the corner with a big glass of scotch, facepalming.

Which really, has to be how (the non-TV) He spends most of his time.

I did find it interesting that the Angels manipulated Dean so poorly and hamhandedly compared with Ruby's work on Sam. I mean, seriously: the man went to hell to bring his brother back to life, and you're offering him cheeseburgers and prostitutes? WTF? They really didn't make any effort to understand him, and I suspect that's related to the fact that they're in a position of power, and Ruby really wasn't. She knew she had no backup, and she had to work on Sam very carefully.

Sheesh, Consuela. You have the spiciest brains. Yes. Yes. A thousand times, yes!

That's my take on it. I can easily see Zachariah conflating God no longer communicating with him (assuming he's one of the four that have been in contact in the past) with being absentee on a larger scale. But I'd think that Anna regaining her angelic nature, Lucifer remaining bound until freed in the prophecied way, and the fact that things like holy water work at all are indications that He's still at work behind the scenes.

Right, Matt. I mean, Anna's not dead yet. I suspect she's been doing everything right by not coloring inside the lines. It depends on what Kripke wants SPN-God to be, of course, and if he's working an angle, this is all for nothing, but as it stands, I would think her Daddy is pleased with everything she's done -- right down to giving that childless couple a baby, by cutting out her grace kidney, or whatever.

So Ruby was Lucifer's ringer and Anna is God's? Interesting.

I'm thinking -- yeah. Although I'm also thinking Anna had no earthly idea, whereas Ruby clearly did.

Normally I talk about how I'd like the story to go rather than making predictions. In this case I'll make two predictions. Dean was bound in some sense by his oath. Breaking it has consequences. But those consequences will be mitigated or turned back against those who try to bring them about because it turns out he was serving God, which is the more important part of his oath.

If this were a Jossverse show, I'd agree with you, but as much as I love this show like chocolate, I'm not sure I've seen that kind of follow-through, Gar.

Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find Dean being possessed by Michael in the next season, and Sam by Lucifer. I'd really rather like to see Ackles playing somebody else, (JP's done it already, and it was great fun, but I'd happily watch him do it again with someone else) so that's a rather fabulous idea - on the other hand, for the narrative, I don't really want Sam or Dean to lose their autonomy and just be meat suits.

This...concerns me, too. I know Sera Gamble has liked to connect the dots between Dean and Michael, but I want Dean to stay Dean and Sam to stay Sam. If they are guided by angels/demons, that's fine with me. But as this might possibly be our last season with our boys, I want them to be them.

We should do some rewatches of key episodes this summer, on Thursday nights.

Anyone up for it?

Hell yeah.

Just--not the first three weeks of June. I mean, y'all go ahead, but I'll be driving cross-country--ooh, wait. If I can figure out how to watch AND post on the same computer, I could W&P in the motel room at night. On the cross country road trip. With my brother husband, and a Uhaul trailer. At least that first week. I don't know how soon we'll have internetz in the new house.

But I'm definitely up for it.

Sounds good to me. I watched "In the Beginning" last night before bed. Because I could. After a bit of time has passed, and the shock of John with blue eyes has worn off. He really was prefectly cast. He became the John Winchester that we didn't know. The unbroken one. He wasn't gruff at all, he was just a sweet sweet boy. Who still believed in happy endings. I cling to the hope that that line will come into play again before the series is over.

Also...I want the spin-off to be about Mary in high school being a hunter with the same actress from ITB. She was very Buffy esque with her bad ass fighting self, her secrets from everyone close to her, the spunk she showed against her dad, and the absolute bubbly sweetness she had talking to Dean about John. And if we can't have a spin off about her then I will settle for adopting her.

Buffistas, it's become entirely all too clear to me that we need to engage Misha Collins in a group marriage. I don't need to be first or last, but I need to be in on it.

Me too. Did you see his tweet yesterday?

Ok, guys. Gotta run. Obama has asked me to advise the Joint Chiefs on the mid east in a closed-door meeting tonght. I've gotta prep.

With all the places he has been and all the things he has done, there was a second when I thought, "ha ha funny man. He is kidding, right? No, I'm sure he is kidding" He's the only actor I can think of right now that would give me that moment of doubt.

Also...

From the enthusiasm 4 the pony, I'd guess you were a bunch of ranch hands. Great! Ive got hillbilly minions. I knew they're be a catch.

Dude, you just need to go ahead and change your name to Mr. Wonderful.

Anyone up for it?

I'm in!

He's the only actor I can think of right now that would give me that moment of doubt.

Well, Kal Penn. But, you know, left acting to JOIN the freaking administration. So.

but only for 1 year.

Also...I want the spin-off to be about Mary in high school being a hunter with the same actress from ITB. She was very Buffy esque with her bad ass fighting self, her secrets from everyone close to her, the spunk she showed against her dad, and the absolute bubbly sweetness she had talking to Dean about John. And if we can't have a spin off about her then I will settle for adopting her.

I just loved her. I'm kind of sad the actress was cast as Mary -- not because she wasn't the perfect young Mary -- she was. Just because I would have loved to have her around more on the show. She was perfection in that role. I will share custody of her, if you like.