Sometimes I miss having powers... Oh. Oh! I know what this is! This is peer pressure! Any second now you're gonna make me smoke tobacco and--and have drugs!

Anya ,'Showtime'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 24, 2011 6:14:18 pm PDT #20433 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I disagree in general on the too tall thing; past a certain point people always look weird to me. Jared doesn't suffer from this, but IMHO most pro basketball players do and I don't recall seeing anyone over about 6'6" that I considered well-proportioned. Sorry, Zdeno Chara.

My impression is that a lot of Sam/Gabriel writing (though not all) comes from a place of "Humph! If Dean gets an angel of his very own, then Sam should too!"


Morgana - Jun 24, 2011 10:07:39 pm PDT #20434 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

The stories that strike me as even far, far more hard to accept than Sam/Gabriel are the crop of Dean/Gabriel titles that keep appearing on the newsletter. Really, people? You think this is remotely a possibility?

Of course, this is the same fandom that has Dean/Alastair and Castiel/Crowley and so on and so on, so what do I know.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2011 12:05:53 am PDT #20435 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I get Dean/Alastair. They're not usually remotely happy. I also get Castiel/Crowley in light of the end of S6, but not from before. Strange bedfellows to the max.

Dean/Gabriel, no. Dean/Trickster, yes.


Juliebird - Jun 25, 2011 5:11:41 pm PDT #20436 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Rewatching And Then There Were None, I really feel bad that Gwen went out like that. Or, not so much that that was her demise, but that they'd done so little with her beforehand. Maybe I'm a sucker for an Ellen Ripley face, or it's remnants of the botched job they did with the Campbell's. But, they introduced them, left them as one-notes, caricatures, messy enigmas, and ultimately disposable, which seems like a waste of breath. I mean, shit, Gwen's husband turning out to be have been ridden by a demon for who knows how long was dropped by the wayside. And I end up back to being ticked off that all the interviews with Sera, etc. revolved around the Campbell's. And, I'm sorry, they added nothing to the Winchester legacy, and illuminated nothing about Mary. And in the end, we still don't know how they survived Azazel's purge, or why Corin Nemec was possessed, or for how long, or what was his goal, or Gwen's reaction. Grampa Samuel still makes no sense. Help!


Amy - Jun 25, 2011 5:18:00 pm PDT #20437 of 30002
Because books.

Corin Nemec was possessed, or for how long, or what was his goal

So Crowley would have an inside man.

Gwen's reaction

Horror and grief, I assume. But she really wasn't enough of a character to make it matter.

The Campbells (or any kind of other characters introduced for more than an episode) are going to exist to illuminate changes or conflicts in Sam and Dean. Otherwise, you've got an ensemble drama, which this is isn't.

In this case, they didn't execute that thread very neatly, but it does mean a) they weren't completely alone; b) they might not be, even now, since they could stumble on others next season; and c) family is about who you choose it to be, the way they've chosen Bobby. Blood isn't everything.

Samuel's motivation for agreeing to work with Crowley is ridiculous to me, but the arc is over now, so I'm not particularly bothered.

I'd actually like to see less people coming back from the dead this season. Let people stay in the grave for once.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2011 5:19:52 pm PDT #20438 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Gwen had a husband? Who was that?


Juliebird - Jun 25, 2011 5:20:53 pm PDT #20439 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I think it's not so much how the Campbell arc played out, but how it was hyped in comparison to how it played out that has me miffed.


Juliebird - Jun 25, 2011 5:21:47 pm PDT #20440 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

ita, she was married to Christian, the dude who turned out to be possessed by a demon. Played by Corin Nemec.


-t - Jun 25, 2011 5:27:03 pm PDT #20441 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Really? I thought they were cousins of some sort.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2011 5:28:08 pm PDT #20442 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

she was married to Christian

When was that established? When she was introduced, she was just introduced as a distant cousin, like Christian.

Christian's wife's name began with an A...

eta: Arlene.