No power in the 'verse can stop me.

River ,'War Stories'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Amy - Jun 24, 2011 12:28:51 pm PDT #20429 of 30002
Because books.

There is no explanation for it, unless fans like the way Jared and Speight goof around at conferences. And they think the height difference in cute, maybe? The characters? No way.

ION, the foreign rights chick at my agent's office just tweeted that Sam is "terrible and whiny and too tall" and now I want to beat her up.


§ ita § - Jun 24, 2011 12:34:41 pm PDT #20430 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The characters? No way.

It's in the category of ships like Dean/Mary or John/Sam and the like where I think there's something completely separate from Show that drives creation and consumption of it. Because I don't see where the text even begins to lead there, unlike Sam/Dean or Dean/John.

"terrible and whiny and too tall"

Give me her address. I'll totally smack her down. First off, too tall? She totally can't be reasoned with.

And, seriously, I don't get the whiny thing. Or the people that bitch that Dean cries too much. Did you miss the borderline abusive childhood and the ongoing trauma? Their lives suck! It's why we tune in! Surely they can react a little!


Amy - Jun 24, 2011 12:37:09 pm PDT #20431 of 30002
Because books.

I can't be mean to her until she helps straighten out some foreign rights stuff for me, but AFTER, she's all yours. Just let me watch. And maybe kick her once or twice.

There is no TOO TALL unless you're some nine-foot giant from a distant land, in which case I would be eye-level with your crotch or something. Come ON.

I don't get the whiny thing, either. Although I don't think she's up to the current seasons yet.


Juliebird - Jun 24, 2011 1:47:23 pm PDT #20432 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Just discovered Misha has a YT account (OMG West is adorable) which then led me to this cracky vid which is fantastically edited: [link] "We Like Fly Paper" by ILoveThesePeople.

Gen, Angels, strong on gag reel footage.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 24, 2011 6:14:18 pm PDT #20433 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I disagree in general on the too tall thing; past a certain point people always look weird to me. Jared doesn't suffer from this, but IMHO most pro basketball players do and I don't recall seeing anyone over about 6'6" that I considered well-proportioned. Sorry, Zdeno Chara.

My impression is that a lot of Sam/Gabriel writing (though not all) comes from a place of "Humph! If Dean gets an angel of his very own, then Sam should too!"


Morgana - Jun 24, 2011 10:07:39 pm PDT #20434 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

The stories that strike me as even far, far more hard to accept than Sam/Gabriel are the crop of Dean/Gabriel titles that keep appearing on the newsletter. Really, people? You think this is remotely a possibility?

Of course, this is the same fandom that has Dean/Alastair and Castiel/Crowley and so on and so on, so what do I know.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2011 12:05:53 am PDT #20435 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I get Dean/Alastair. They're not usually remotely happy. I also get Castiel/Crowley in light of the end of S6, but not from before. Strange bedfellows to the max.

Dean/Gabriel, no. Dean/Trickster, yes.


Juliebird - Jun 25, 2011 5:11:41 pm PDT #20436 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Rewatching And Then There Were None, I really feel bad that Gwen went out like that. Or, not so much that that was her demise, but that they'd done so little with her beforehand. Maybe I'm a sucker for an Ellen Ripley face, or it's remnants of the botched job they did with the Campbell's. But, they introduced them, left them as one-notes, caricatures, messy enigmas, and ultimately disposable, which seems like a waste of breath. I mean, shit, Gwen's husband turning out to be have been ridden by a demon for who knows how long was dropped by the wayside. And I end up back to being ticked off that all the interviews with Sera, etc. revolved around the Campbell's. And, I'm sorry, they added nothing to the Winchester legacy, and illuminated nothing about Mary. And in the end, we still don't know how they survived Azazel's purge, or why Corin Nemec was possessed, or for how long, or what was his goal, or Gwen's reaction. Grampa Samuel still makes no sense. Help!


Amy - Jun 25, 2011 5:18:00 pm PDT #20437 of 30002
Because books.

Corin Nemec was possessed, or for how long, or what was his goal

So Crowley would have an inside man.

Gwen's reaction

Horror and grief, I assume. But she really wasn't enough of a character to make it matter.

The Campbells (or any kind of other characters introduced for more than an episode) are going to exist to illuminate changes or conflicts in Sam and Dean. Otherwise, you've got an ensemble drama, which this is isn't.

In this case, they didn't execute that thread very neatly, but it does mean a) they weren't completely alone; b) they might not be, even now, since they could stumble on others next season; and c) family is about who you choose it to be, the way they've chosen Bobby. Blood isn't everything.

Samuel's motivation for agreeing to work with Crowley is ridiculous to me, but the arc is over now, so I'm not particularly bothered.

I'd actually like to see less people coming back from the dead this season. Let people stay in the grave for once.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2011 5:19:52 pm PDT #20438 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Gwen had a husband? Who was that?