Noooo! Raphael is the Big Bad!
Inara: So. Would you like to lecture me on the wickedness of my ways? Book: I brought you some supper, but if you'd prefer a lecture, I've a few very catchy ones prepped. Sin and hellfire... one has lepers.
'Serenity'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Juliebird - Apr 30, 2011 6:02:19 am PDT #19473 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
Amy - Apr 30, 2011 6:35:43 am PDT #19474 of 30002
Because books.
I think it's going to be a deep shade of gray all around. Part of the season's theme seems to be that nothing is exactly what it looks like, so I'm guessing Crowley is probably a little more good than we expected (or helpful), and Cas is leaning towards a little more regrettable, if not precisely bad.
A whole "ends justifying the means" and "road to hell" thing, where it's not as simple as black and white.
Juliebird - Apr 30, 2011 6:41:51 am PDT #19475 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
I think it's going to be a deep shade of gray all around.
yesh.
A whole "ends justifying the means" and "road to hell" thing, where it's not as simple as black and white.
It's weird to see him back there, back to him on a park bench denying that he's a hammer and Dean fighting for the individual's, screw the big picture. Except now Cas isn't someone else's hammer, he's forged himself into one out of necessity.
I love that Cas spent the whole ep covered in blood. Out out, damned spot!
Lee - Apr 30, 2011 6:43:31 am PDT #19476 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Has Dean bonded enough with Castiel that he will be able to forgive him the shades of gray?
He did forgive Sam, but that's Sam, so it's a whole different story.
§ ita § - Apr 30, 2011 6:47:24 am PDT #19477 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't think that Cas will be the big bad in a sense that he will need to be fought and vanquished.
In the end, he's fighting to save lives, so I think it's a matter of him doing it the wrong way, rather than having the wrong motivation.
I don't expect (and kinda don't want) Crowley to be better that he seems. I like liking charismatic evil characters. Fic whitewashes him enough.
Has Dean bonded enough with Castiel that he will be able to forgive him the shades of gray?
I think the writers will probably have him forgiven, unless Misha is being written out. It's not just about the bond, it's also about the motivation, IMO.
As for forgiving Sam, one of Sam's transgressions was choosing Ruby over him. I think that was a large part of what he needed to be forgiven for, so it makes the comparisons moot.
Amy - Apr 30, 2011 7:00:23 am PDT #19478 of 30002
Because books.
Has Dean bonded enough with Castiel that he will be able to forgive him the shades of gray?
Are you kidding? CAS LIVES IN HIS ASS.
Typo Boy - Apr 30, 2011 7:29:33 am PDT #19479 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
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I hope ita is ok. If I ended a post that way, par for the course. ita trailing off like that worries me a bit.
Amy - Apr 30, 2011 9:23:42 am PDT #19480 of 30002
Because books.
I'm pretty sure that's just a typo, Gar. I wouldn't worry.
Polter-Cow - Apr 30, 2011 11:11:27 am PDT #19481 of 30002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
And, wow, seeing Samantha Smith play Eve really showcased how bland and awful Julia Maxwell is.
Ha ha ha, seriously. I hadn't had too much of a problem with her, but when she was called on to say more than a phrase or a sentence, she didn't really bring it.
Let's talk about how Bobby looks at unrelenting carnage in a bar and deduces that everyone died of a fever. WHAT.
§ ita § - Apr 30, 2011 11:14:48 am PDT #19482 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I copy and pasted that post together (it was going to be serial), and wasn't paying attention to whether or not I'd actually finished typing.
CAS LIVES IN HIS ASS.
It does need to be, uh, asscapped, doesn't it?