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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Typo Boy - Apr 07, 2011 9:29:54 pm PDT #18952 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Lets leave aside "fair". Sam and Dean are subject to a spell that forces them to fight. They are facing each other when the urge to fight happen at the same time. No weapons or the same weapons. No advantage of position. Sam wins. Body mass and muscle. Dean's greater experience, and I think greater talent for combat does him no good.

Give Dean an advantage - more time to plan than Sam, better weapons, better position and the that same experience and perhaps talent can be deployed to compensate for Sam's greater strength and mass.

I mean you can say "oh no, the first case will never happen". But if you are going to question who will win in a fight between them then it is not unreasonable to think of different circumstances. And equal weapons, no great positional advantage for one or the other, equal time to plan is certainly one set of circumstances. So forget the term "fair fight". Too much baggage I don't intend.

Another way to look at it is Sam is stronger more muscle, more mass. If combat happens in circumstances where Dean has little chance to compensate for that, Sam wins. If Dean is given a chance to compensate for Sam's greater weight and amss then Dean wins, because Dean has more experience and more talent for combat.


Theresa - Apr 08, 2011 12:17:18 am PDT #18953 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

You know what this discussion reminds me of?

Look, if cavemen and astronauts got into a fight, who would win?


§ ita § - Apr 08, 2011 4:14:55 am PDT #18954 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If Dean is given a chance to compensate for Sam's greater weight and amss then Dean wins, because Dean has more experience and more talent for combat.

Suppose Dean always has a chance to compensate for it. Because he's faster, knows more moves, is more savage, and improvises weapons better.

I guess I just don't get how to strip a fight down to "the only advantage is weight and reach. Experience and speed and attitude no longer count."

That's a weird spell.

I mean, that is, of course, assuming Dean's faster, which we don't know (but is likely, because being 6'5 doesn't help with speed), and assuming he's more experienced (I think he just cares about fighting more, has done more, so I'm going to give him this one), and as long as Sam has his soul and isn't on demon blood, I'd say their willingness to beat the crap out of each other is severely situational.


Amy - Apr 08, 2011 5:30:30 am PDT #18955 of 30002
Because books.

The sound you hear is me, melting.


sumi - Apr 08, 2011 5:43:26 am PDT #18956 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

Awwww - adorable.


Vortex - Apr 08, 2011 6:28:18 am PDT #18957 of 30002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

The loud ticking sound you hear is my biological clock. That could totally be mine and Jensen's kid!


Amy - Apr 08, 2011 6:29:39 am PDT #18958 of 30002
Because books.

The smirk is the best part. It's totally, "See? See how velvety smooth I am? This kid LOVES me."


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 08, 2011 5:09:30 pm PDT #18959 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I loved "Weekend at Bobby's" so much the first time around and now it just makes me mad that they subsequently wasted Rufus, but not before unnecessarily angsting up his relationship with Bobby, which was clearly of the friendly bickering sort in this episode.


§ ita § - Apr 08, 2011 5:14:32 pm PDT #18960 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

By "wasted" do you mean "killed" or "used carelessly"?


Morgana - Apr 08, 2011 5:15:46 pm PDT #18961 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

not before unnecessarily angsting up his relationship with Bobby, which was clearly of the friendly bickering sort in this episode

During that exchange where they were doing the "Thanks Bobby, I owe you" / "No, I still owe you more" / "Well add this to the list" (paraphrased, obviously), I found myself waiting for the angst that we saw in their last similar interlude and it was nowhere to be found. (You know, the implied "you killed my wife and I'll never ever forgive you for it" part of that episode.)