One of the guiding principles of krav is "fuck a fair fight" and over time, I came to not understand the concept anymore. There are unbalanced fights, like just about every one Sam will ever get in, but "fair"? It's not a concept that has a place with life or death.
We'd be dead. Can't get paid if you're dead.
Mal ,'Serenity'
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§ ita § - Apr 07, 2011 6:47:21 pm PDT #18942 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Theresa - Apr 07, 2011 6:47:50 pm PDT #18943 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
I always thought a fair fight meant you couldn't pull a knife or a gun if bare knuckles had been agreed. Also you can't hit an opponent who isn't looking or has his back turned. I'm making these rules up but they seem "gentlemanly". ETA: Also, unless it is a fight to the death, no hitting the boobs or the crotch. I bet this is written up somewhere.
A hunter fighting for his life or even real life street fighting isn't going to follow rules.
"fuck a fair fight"
Would be the reality of fighting for your life.
Typo Boy - Apr 07, 2011 6:49:49 pm PDT #18944 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
"fair fight" was shorthand. They both realize they are going to fight at the same time, with little notice. They are facing each other, and neither has an advantage in position at the time they realize they are going to fight. Neither has an advantage in weapons. Etc. Etc. at tldr. A "fair fight" is unlikely to happen by accident, but an enemy might set one up.
Theresa - Apr 07, 2011 7:01:52 pm PDT #18945 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
I just made my reservations for F2F in Denver so everyone here should do that too. We can watch SPN dvds and squeal in person!
§ ita § - Apr 07, 2011 7:22:18 pm PDT #18946 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Why would an enemy set up a fair fight? Why would anyone set up a fair fight? Why would you bother fighting? If you have the luxury to do all that, you're not fighting, you're sparring.
Typo Boy - Apr 07, 2011 7:23:29 pm PDT #18947 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
An enemy might set up a "fair fight" between the brothers as part of an incoherent overly complex plot.
§ ita § - Apr 07, 2011 7:26:50 pm PDT #18948 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
So far the enemies have done anything but, with the demon blood and the insanity of the siren infection. Unless we're going to get a Fight Club episode (tired!) I can't see it.
Typo Boy - Apr 07, 2011 7:27:48 pm PDT #18949 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Heck, I think the Siren ended up accidentally creating a "fair fight". In general an evil son-of-bitch might set up a "fair fight" between the brothers for maximum emotional pain, then kill the survivor. "fair fight" so that the fight would last as long as possible.
Typo Boy - Apr 07, 2011 7:32:16 pm PDT #18950 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
And we are not really talking the plausibility of a fight happening. We are talking about who would win if it happens. I stick by my answer though maybe the term "fair fight" carries baggage I don't intend.
If the fight happened with no advantage to one or the other except those advantages and disadvantages that go with being who they are Sam wins - probably. Assuming equal notice, no weapons difference, no positional advantage to anyone.
If Dean has even a slight advantage he wins.
§ ita § - Apr 07, 2011 7:51:30 pm PDT #18951 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
How was the siren fight fair? Dean gets the drop on Sam with a knife, he knows about the fight first since Sam isn't infected right away, and then later goes at Sam with an axe. Sam doesn't have any weapons.
I don't think I get what you mean by fair. Which is why I don't believe they're applicable outside of sports, with rules and bells and weight classes. Not in actual fights.