I think the weirdest thing for me is that in RPS, the roles are often reversed -- where Dean is usually taking care of Sam in one way or another in fic, Jared is usually the one looking out for fragile, angsty Jensen in RPS.

It's sad that I can absolutely believe there are authors out there who refuse to edit, or get a beta. Pure artistes! Feel their pain, and their art!

serial:

AU RPF makes me want them to have made it in show AU instead. I don't like AU with actor's names on it. I just don't. Non-AU skeeves me entirely, and I won't do it.

okay, this is serial:

where Dean is usually taking care of Sam in one way or another in fic

From what I read about reading, isn't there a lot of raped and bottom Dean out there? Like, more battered and penetrated (obviously both are related, because...never mind) than with Sam?

Raped, like by other people? Maybe?

There is a whole lot of very toppy Sam, you're right, but there's equally as much Dean taking care of Sam, meaning giving him everything Dean thinks he needs.

I don't know -- maybe it's roughly equal, in terms of who's portrayed as the dominant caretaker. I'm also really particular about what Wincest I read, and I don't really do AUs, so there's a lot I don't know.

Lastly, everyone who writes professionally should *absolutely* be edited.

Raped, like by other people? Maybe?

Also raped by Sam.

But, bear in mind, this is only gleaned by reading people talking about fics, not even by reading synopses. They just painted it like victim Dean was the hottest little thing and his hole was ripe for abusing by everyone, family, friends, and foes.

But in terms of being taken care of, probably not so much--just that he's being abused. He probably still nurtures despite that.

I skimmed through that writer's journal, and she's very adamant about not rereading her stuff, much less having someone else do it. She has errors in her summaries that she copies forward from section to section. I can't imagine not having *any* shame.

Not beta-ed is one thing (I admit, I put forward quite a few pictures without getting feedback first, but that's different), but not revising? Running a spell check? Why would you not?

They just painted it like victim Dean was the hottest little thing and his hole was ripe for abusing by everyone, family, friends, and foes.

Yeah, I guess that's out there. Maybe I should have said it's not part of what I read. At the first hint of abuse or noncon between them, I'm out, or I don't even go in.

I get that incest is a stretch, but outside of that, I try to stick to stories where the boys aren't wildly OOC.

Not beta-ed is one thing (I admit, I put forward quite a few pictures without getting feedback first, but that's different), but not revising? Running a spell check? Why would you not?

I'm guessing rebellion against one's 7th grade English teacher?

I think you're onto something Matt. And they might possibly be in eighth grade.

I just tried to read another story where the boys were startled and dropped their guns which then got jammed with snow. I don't care if there's hot porn later. It's just stupid.

And then there's the one which is nice and clear with the summary:

Dean and Castiel are brothers and their parents are dead. From the ages of 6 and 4 they share a room at the childrens home they end up in. Dean means a lot to Cas - Father, mother, brother, best friend, and quite possibly everything else as well. Incest, not creepy, I hope.

No, what would be creepy about that? Heaven forfend. I mean, seriously.

oh ita, you missed the best part in the first chapter:

Ok, there are plotty reasons why this is all ok, but to reveal them now would ruin the point – so you'll just have to trust me. I had this idea after reading another fic and was left with the idea that Castiel makes a much better brother than Sam. So yes, whilst this is technically an incest fic, it does have a point and I'll try not to let it be weird.

there's a reason why the incest is okay.

Also, Cas makes a better brother than Sam.

I'm not sure which I am more agog at.