Did Ash wake up in the roadhouse, or did he wander through his memories the way Sam and Dean did? Did he choose to make the roadhouse his home?

And if he's not lying, and you're alone (unless you have his skills to find other people), then Sam and Dean *were* only walking through memories. And that's not what Ash is doing in the roadhouse.

Pamela's remark about one long show at the Meadowlands could just be a metaphor, since we don't actually see her heaven, but in Kama Sutra guy's, there were clearly other people around if Ash was part of hot, sweaty orgies there.

It seems a) like contradictory information, and b) confusing, which is not what most people imagine heaven to be. A sub station isn't unusual, before you reach your ultimate destination (I'm thinking more of the limbo in Heaven Can Wait here than anything else), but to wake up in heaven without any idea where you are seems a little cruel.

Zachariah was clearly able to fuck with them, since he did in the memory with Mary at the end, but since he was, why wasn't he able to from the beginning?

Like I said, I loved a lot of the moments and revelations, but the episode, or at least its concept of heaven, never made sense to me. And the reason it really bugged was because I had an idea for a fic set in heaven, and I haven't been able to figure out how to make it work according to canon, since I can't decide what canon is.

Did he choose to make the roadhouse his home?

I'm guessing Ash hangs out wherever he wants to, because he has total freedom of movement. So even if he was being cycled through locations for his greatest hits, he could choose to stay where he wanted to. Pamela's cycle seemed to be happening in one place, different events, unlike Sam and Dean who were being bumped from place to place but still within boundaries of their own shared pocket heaven.

in Kama Sutra guy's, there were clearly other people around if Ash was part of hot, sweaty orgies there.

I'd assume there were other people there in the same way young Sam was there in Dean's--not real people, just simulacra. And Ash. Which is incredibly creepy.

to wake up in heaven without any idea where you are seems a little cruel.

I don't remember--did Dean get confused before Castiel reached out to him? Because I'd imagined you'd just get run through your favourite memories and you'd never have to worry about where you were because you wouldn't have enough awareness to care.

Which is pretty cold and horrific, but you'd never know the difference.

I don't remember--did Dean get confused before Castiel reached out to him? Because I'd imagined you'd just get run through your favourite memories and you'd never have to worry about where you were because you wouldn't have enough awareness to care.

Maybe that's all it is? He didn't seem confused after young Sam showed up, but he did seem surprised that Sam was a kid again.

For purposes of the story, though, they needed to make that clear, or the audience would have been confused.

My hope is that Heaven isn't actually a lonely greatest hits holodeck experience for everyone forever; that what we saw is just an initial stage (kind of like Robin Williams' experiences in What Dreams May Come) until they're ready to interact with others who've been there longer.

We can hope, but it fits with the intense darkness of the Supernaturalverse. Also fits with a place that may have been created by God, but is run by Angels who A)don't get humans B) don't like humans.

BTW - can't help but wonder if "Eve" will end up creating monsters from those human souls Death was worrying about. That would leave only Gods, Angels, and Horsemen as not orginally human. If in season 7 it turns out that Gods and Angels are jumped up ghosts as well, we can just assume that the Horsemen are, and that it is ghosts all the way down.

I thought monsters were a lack of human souls.

Someone's definitely gaming this poll. I know I voted for Misha over Welling, but I'm surprised he has a stronger lead than Jared has over his competitor.

I thought monsters were a lack of human souls.

Then how do monsters go to purgatory when they die? Apparently they have souls of some sort that survive their death. And human souls are missing. And more monsters are being made. Seems to fit. Or did I mishear something again?

Here's what the alpha vampire said:

The thing about souls -- If you've got one, of course -- Is they're predictable. You die, you go up or down. Where do my kind go?

I took from that that they didn't have souls. Made from souls? Eve is turning stolen souls into vampires and werewolves? Replacing the person transformed with a mutated soul? Then how were they being created before the soul purloining happened?

Evidence supporting Sam's aversion.

My interpretation is that whatever Eve does to them transforms their souls in such a way that they're hijacked to Purgatory upon dying rather than going wherever originally intended. Which would make her more horrible than demons, actually, since so far as we've seen they have to persuade or trick people into deliberate choices that result in them going to Hell.

But Ash said explicitly that people don't interact with others unless you do the Enochian magic or they're soulmates. So do you think he was wrong or lying?

I'm hoping that he's wrong and has just run into people who haven't transcended their own personal heavens and met the neighbors yet. Maybe it isn't knowing Enochian magic but just realizing you're reliving good memories and wanting to meet others that does the trick.