Wesley: We're going to bring Angelus in alive. Connor: No we're not. Gunn: I thought you said capturing him wasn't an option. Wesley: Changed my mind. Connor: Change it back.

'Why We Fight'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Amy - Mar 25, 2011 2:28:21 pm PDT #18643 of 30002
Because books.

I don't remember--did Dean get confused before Castiel reached out to him? Because I'd imagined you'd just get run through your favourite memories and you'd never have to worry about where you were because you wouldn't have enough awareness to care.

Maybe that's all it is? He didn't seem confused after young Sam showed up, but he did seem surprised that Sam was a kid again.

For purposes of the story, though, they needed to make that clear, or the audience would have been confused.


Typo Boy - Mar 25, 2011 2:39:48 pm PDT #18644 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

My hope is that Heaven isn't actually a lonely greatest hits holodeck experience for everyone forever; that what we saw is just an initial stage (kind of like Robin Williams' experiences in What Dreams May Come) until they're ready to interact with others who've been there longer.

We can hope, but it fits with the intense darkness of the Supernaturalverse. Also fits with a place that may have been created by God, but is run by Angels who A)don't get humans B) don't like humans.

BTW - can't help but wonder if "Eve" will end up creating monsters from those human souls Death was worrying about. That would leave only Gods, Angels, and Horsemen as not orginally human. If in season 7 it turns out that Gods and Angels are jumped up ghosts as well, we can just assume that the Horsemen are, and that it is ghosts all the way down.


§ ita § - Mar 25, 2011 2:43:11 pm PDT #18645 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought monsters were a lack of human souls.


§ ita § - Mar 25, 2011 3:49:12 pm PDT #18646 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Someone's definitely gaming this poll. I know I voted for Misha over Welling, but I'm surprised he has a stronger lead than Jared has over his competitor.


Typo Boy - Mar 25, 2011 7:00:16 pm PDT #18647 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I thought monsters were a lack of human souls.

Then how do monsters go to purgatory when they die? Apparently they have souls of some sort that survive their death. And human souls are missing. And more monsters are being made. Seems to fit. Or did I mishear something again?


§ ita § - Mar 25, 2011 7:21:46 pm PDT #18648 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Here's what the alpha vampire said:

The thing about souls -- If you've got one, of course -- Is they're predictable. You die, you go up or down. Where do my kind go?

I took from that that they didn't have souls. Made from souls? Eve is turning stolen souls into vampires and werewolves? Replacing the person transformed with a mutated soul? Then how were they being created before the soul purloining happened?


§ ita § - Mar 25, 2011 8:07:17 pm PDT #18649 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Evidence supporting Sam's aversion.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 25, 2011 8:12:04 pm PDT #18650 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

My interpretation is that whatever Eve does to them transforms their souls in such a way that they're hijacked to Purgatory upon dying rather than going wherever originally intended. Which would make her more horrible than demons, actually, since so far as we've seen they have to persuade or trick people into deliberate choices that result in them going to Hell.

But Ash said explicitly that people don't interact with others unless you do the Enochian magic or they're soulmates. So do you think he was wrong or lying?

I'm hoping that he's wrong and has just run into people who haven't transcended their own personal heavens and met the neighbors yet. Maybe it isn't knowing Enochian magic but just realizing you're reliving good memories and wanting to meet others that does the trick.


Morgana - Mar 25, 2011 8:19:19 pm PDT #18651 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Evidence supporting Sam's aversion.

I always agreed with Sam. When I was little and Mom and the other adults drug me and my cousins to the local Halloween parades, I was always more freaked out by the clowns than by any of the monsters going by. Never liked them, never will. (Seeley Booth has clown phobia too.)


Theresa - Mar 25, 2011 9:01:17 pm PDT #18652 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Season Seven. Who'd a thunk it? My the boys have changed.

eta: I don't have any news, I was just commenting off of the sets being leased.