Now I'm reminded of a Drill Sergeant I had in basic, we called her Mama Bear. We all loved her and tried to take care of her, be good and made sure she got home to her husband and kids at a timely hour.

I think the fact that Sam was ignorant of monsters until he was 8 or so, and didn't have a stable, secure life ripped away from him the way Dean did would have a lot to do with that.

I just backspaced a post where I was saying I was surprised that Dean and Sam's roles weren't reversed, since Dean had a taste of normalcy whereas Sam was born into it, and then remembered, yeah, they sheltered Sam for as long as they could until he found something hinky and pushed the issue.

Even before they retconned Brady (where are my threesomes?) into Jess, even before she got killed, that wasn't going to be properly happy. Some people can leave family, and there's not much of a dent to be seen. Sam can get out from under John's shadow, but how much can he extricate himself from Dean, even when they're apart for years? That's going to come up during the quiet times, and it's going to be a hole in an otherwise good relationship with a great woman. More about me makes sense when you meet my sister. And we ain't got shit on the Winchesters. Your loved one wants to make that sort of sense of you.

They were all they had. And then no more. I don't like S/D/J fic. Because I don't think D needs to go there, that's ick. Though I have discussed sharing men with my sister, nobody gets to fall in Sam like love.

This made more sense at the start of the post.

I'm not sure I'm following you.

In the meantime, BWAH.

Hah!

And, yeah, ita lost me at Sir!wincest.

I had gone and transcribed the pertinent scene from YCHtT and my ethernet cable had pulled out when I hit Post. Grrr.

To recap: Dean had thought Soulless Sam to be a monster, to be, in fact, like Dean. That Dean was good at cutting throats. That they spilled so much blood until the blood spilled was their own. That Dean thought he could be a father, but he was a killer. Eh, I know I got the heart of that wrong.

No, that J isn't Sir, it's Jess. Just rambling that Sam can't really be happy with Jess without Dean or the knowledge of Dean. Just that Dean need not be up in there non-platonically. Just that Dean's a part of Sam, and whatever facts about Sam you don't know pale beside not knowing the reflected chunk of Sam that is his intersection with Dean.

I had to jump to the end because I can't remember what YCHtT is and it's driving me nuts.

You Can't Handle the Truth, Bev.

Just that Dean's a part of Sam, and whatever facts about Sam you don't know pale beside not knowing the reflected chunk of Sam that is his intersection with Dean.

Ah, okay. I get it now.

Thanks Amy.

Loving the discussion.

Oh thank god. I didn't want to be looking at you sideways.

I'd like to think that Sam was cutting off a huge part of himself with establishing a life in college and with Jess. It could have been successful. Depends on the person. But I think in this 'verse, Sam would have been deluding himself for only so long.